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[Dr. Jimmmah!]

abu dahbi 'yas marina circuit' looks like sepang + valencia + singapore in one.

http://www.formula1....r/2008/323.html

[mads]

just a temporary unfreeze for renault, toyo and honda ONLY.

didn't honda have the most powerful engine in 2006?

[mads]

guise, join the new batracer game

[Nacho]

didn't honda have the most powerful engine in 2006?

They also had a good car in 06.

Apparently, they threw all that away for 07.

[_R_]

didn't honda have the most powerful engine in 2006?

I miss Honda's Suzuka special engines... 1000hp 1 shot engine

[Nacho]

I miss Honda's Suzuka special engines... 1000hp 1 shot engine

Maybe they'll bring it back next year.

[Shi]

just a temporary unfreeze for renault, toyo and honda ONLY.

how is that supposed to be fair?

[vietlol]

how is that supposed to be fair?

how is being stuck with a less powerful engine and not being able to do anything with it for a few more years fair?

I think they should either get rid of the freeze or just impose an hp limit like in wrc

the current plan is pretty dumb

[mads]

they should fucking get rid of it, F1 WILL ALWAYS FIND WAYS TO SPEND MONEY

[Shi]

how is being stuck with a less powerful engine and not being able to do anything with it for a few more years fair?

I think they should either get rid of the freeze or just impose an hp limit like in wrc

the current plan is pretty dumb

they can introduce "reliability related evolutions" just like everyone else

if they're going to unfreeze, then it should be done for everyone

[kngrsll]

they should fucking get rid of it, F1 WILL ALWAYS FIND WAYS TO SPEND MONEY

this man speaks da troof

[kngrsll]

just a temporary unfreeze for renault, toyo and honda ONLY.

yeah, i didnt catch this at all... how crazy is that...

[_R_]

you know... I'm nervous...
I don't want Lewis to win the title this year...

where is Sato's kamikaze moves when you need it

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

you know... I'm nervous...
I don't want Lewis to win the title this year...

where is Sato's kamikaze moves when you need it

hamilton is the new satokamikaze.. he was playing lawn darts with the MP4-23, but aimed for the wrong ferrari..

[_R_]

hamilton is the new satokamikaze.. he was playing lawn darts with the MP4-23, but aimed for the wrong ferrari..

no... he aimed for the right ferrari...
he can go ahead and take kimi out the last 2 races as long as he does down in flames as well...

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

interesting read..

Reckless Hamilton should now take a history lesson in respect
There are signs that Lewis Hamilton has inherited from his predecessors the view that any tactic justifies victory


They grew up racing go-karts as though they were dodgems. Now they race 750-horsepower cars with survival cells so strong that you could probably drive one off the rim of the Grand Canyon and live to tell the tale. No wonder today's formula one drivers don't play by the old rules, as those of us who rose before dawn on Sunday saw during the course of an absorbing but, in the end, dismaying telecast from the foothills of Mount Fuji.

Manoeuvres that could be politely described as over-aggressive by Lewis Hamilton and Felipe Massa, rivals for this year's drivers' title, shaped the outcome of the race and provoked the subsequent accusations and recriminations. Both were penalised by the race stewards. Deeper down, however, the real blame lies with those who allowed their predecessors to adapt motor racing's etiquette in order to incorporate the kind of tactics that drivers of earlier eras would have seen as tantamount to attempted murder.

There is no difficulty in identifying those predecessors. Ayrton Senna's belief in his own near-divinity and Michael Schumacher's sheer unscrupulousness set an example to Hamilton and Massa as surely as Bach begat Beethoven and Cézanne begat Picasso. What we are seeing now is the inevitable consequence of kowtowing to the standing they had established in the grand prix circus.

There is certainly something of Senna about Hamilton and, sadly, it is not confined to a driving talent that approaches genius. When the Brazilian was once put on the spot over a misdemeanour on the track, he replied: "But I am Senna." Hamilton appears to have acquired a similar sense of bulletproof entitlement, a conviction that goes far beyond the normal boundaries of self-confidence and into a realm where the rest of the human race plays only a supporting role.

From what we know of him, Hamilton does not share Senna's propensity for seeing his role in a near-mystical light. He prefers to keep his wheels on the ground, with an attitude more reminiscent of that displayed by Schumacher during the German's period of total dominance. There are signs that Hamilton inherited from both men the view that any tactic, from the borderline unchivalrous to the downright illegitimate, justifies victory, for the simple reason that, according to their logic, it confirms the natural order of things.

When Robert Kubica criticised Hamilton's approach last week, he was probably not expecting to see such instant and vivid evidence in support of his words. "There are differences of philosophies," the Polish driver said. "Either you drive hard but fair or you are overconfident." He went on to make a specific criticism of the English driver's tactics at Monza last month. Hamilton rejected the accusation, but on Sunday his behaviour as he refused to accept the consequences of a poor start showed that Kubica's comments were not merely an example of the usual mind games.

While he nurses his hope that the next two races will make him the next British world champion, Hamilton might like to be reminded of how the very first, Mike Hawthorn, won his crown exactly 50 years ago. Three races from the end of the season, Hawthorn was neck and neck with his great rival, Stirling Moss, as they went to the street circuit at Porto. Moss won the first Portuguese grand prix at a canter in his Vanwall, with Hawthorn heading for second place until he span on the last lap and stalled the engine, facing the way he had come. In order to restart his car, Hawthorn had to push it. Under a rule that forbids a car to travel against the direction of the circuit, the stewards promptly disqualified him. Moss, however, stood up before them to say that when Hawthorn had pushed the car, the Ferrari had been on the pavement and therefore not, strictly speaking, on the track.

As a result of Moss's testimony, Hawthorn was allowed to keep his second place and the six points which, under the scoring system of the day, went with it. A few weeks later, after races at Monza and in Casablanca, Hawthorn was named champion. He had won the title by a single point from a man who has never, from that day to this, expressed even the tiniest twinge of regret for the action that cost him so dear. Perhaps the difference is this: those men knew that every time they raced, each had the other's life in his hands.

if massa and raikkonen pull off the 1-2 this weekend and ham is 1 point up going into brazil, will he resort to this at interlagos?




or this?

[kngrsll]

interesting read..



if massa and raikkonen pull off the 1-2 this weekend and ham is 1 point up going into brazil, will he resort to this at interlagos?

all that did was make me miss suzuka

[Nacho]

interesting read..

Finally someone points out that both recent 'greats' of F1 had the same flaws that people who worship them hate Hamilton for having.

My favorite is that people who adore Senna get mad at Hamilton for being aggressive and cocky.

[kngrsll]

Finally someone points out that both recent 'greats' of F1 had the same flaws that people who worship them hate Hamilton for having.

My favorite is that people who adore Senna get mad at Hamilton for being aggressive and cocky.

Senna would not be nearly as popular if he didnt die...

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

Senna would not be nearly as popular if he didnt die...

but he probably was also more humble in his first and 2nd year in f1...

hamilton would be better off if he would just shut up and drive. or at least get mmbly like kimi.. but he's too much of a puppet to the media that he'll bite whatever bait they throw at him.

[Nacho]

but he probably was also more humble in his first and 2nd year in f1...

Not if he'd been in a position to win.

[Redliner]

It's hard to know history when you're not in it...I didn't follow F1 during Senna's days so it's hard to tell how I would've judged him. Just what I've gotten over time, and this does change my opinion of the man... And I've also never agreed w/ how Senna drove either and I've pointed to him & MS as the primary reasons why F1 drivers drive the way they do today...

[MrHahn]

interesting read..



if massa and raikkonen pull off the 1-2 this weekend and ham is 1 point up going into brazil, will he resort to this at interlagos?


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or this?
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I can't see the logic to this situation. Firstly Prost is in front and Senna brakes late with minimal chance of making the corner, but JV did the same thing in Jerez to Schumacher. Yet, Schumacher gets blamed for the situation. Likewise for Adelaide, just because Schumacher was a slower car - it doesnt not give him the right to block Damon, he moved once and that was it. He took the racing line and Damon punted him.

Still to this day I dont understand how Schumacher was blamed for both of those incidents.

[kngrsll]

I can't see the logic to this situation. Firstly Prost is in front and Senna brakes late with minimal chance of making the corner, but JV did the same thing in Jerez to Schumacher. Yet, Schumacher gets blamed for the situation. Likewise for Adelaide, just because Schumacher was a slower car - it doesnt not give him the right to block Damon, he moved once and that was it. He took the racing line and Damon punted him.

Still to this day I dont understand how Schumacher was blamed for both of those incidents.

to me, it looked clear that schumi tried to turn into JV even thought he could see he was there. JV made the corner, its not like he was sliding out of his line.

[MrHahn]

So what's your take on the above incident between Prost/Senna? Pretty much same dealio but at a higher speed corner