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[Dr. Jimmmah!]

to me, it looked clear that schumi tried to turn into JV even thought he could see he was there. JV made the corner, its not like he was sliding out of his line.

that was damon hill in the vid... jacques wasn't even in f1 yet when that happened.

[kngrsll]

So what's your take on the above incident between Prost/Senna? Pretty much same dealio but at a higher speed corner

it looks like Senna is a bit ambitious, but it did no good for Prost to close the door obviously. alot depends on Senna's mindset.... if he made the move on purpose knowing he would take him out, then bad form. but that early in the corner, its hard to tell if it was going to stick. if so, prost is in the wrong, he should have given him room, but its hard to imagine that Prost would have thought he would be up that far at that point. so, i think that it is what results from two overly aggressive drivers, rather than the Schumi incidences. i think Schumi knew what he was doing when he tried to turn in on JV and Hill.

[kngrsll]

that was damon hill in the vid... jacques wasn't even in f1 yet when that happened.

yeah, im confused about that? earlier there was a video of JV and schumi from japan? now its schumi and hill?

this is the video i saw earlier: http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

was there a post edit??

[Shi]

So what's your take on the above incident between Prost/Senna? Pretty much same dealio but at a higher speed corner

Prost - Senna:
Senna deliberately took Prost out while behind, punting Prost's sidepod with his front wheel, retaliation (in his mind) for Prost closing the door on him the previous year, which was a justifiable move seeing Prost was ahead into the chicane and contacted Senna's front wheel using his sidepod

Schumi - Hill
Pretty much identical block as Prost did on Senna, justifiable as he was ahead at the time of contact

Schumi - JV
Similar to incident with Hill with one crucial difference - JV was ahead at the time of contact, Schumi hit JV's sidepod using his front wheel, and got penalised for it

In my view Senna shouldn't have been allowed to win his championship that way, but because he was on the inside of the corner the stewards would have had a hard time proving anything.

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

the flav chimes in...

Briatore: Hamilton will throw it away

By Michele Lostia and Pablo Elizalde Friday, October 17th 2008, 09:46 GMT

Lewis Hamilton has not learned anything from last year and will throw away the Formula One title again, according to Renault boss Flavio Briatore.

Last year, the McLaren driver lost out to Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen by one point despite having a 17-point gap with just two races to go.

Hamilton leads Ferrari rival Felipe Massa by five points with two races left, including this weekend's Chinese Grand Prix at Shanghai, where the McLaren driver made a costly mistake last year and ended up stuck in the gravel.

Briatore is convinced Hamilton will not win the title this year either.

"In my opinion Hamilton will try again to throw away the title," Briatore was quoted as saying by Gazzetta dello Sport. "He and McLaren were good last year already: to lose it with a 17-point advantage with two races to go is worthy of the Guinness World Records.

"If someone gets in the Guinness like that, he can really repeat himself with just five points of advantage. In my opinion Massa will win the title."

He added: "Hamilton hasn't learned anything: we saw that in Japan. He should be told he is an F1 driver, not a martian. He is no Muhammad Ali. He is a youngster who still has to show his worth.

"He's a good driver, but the good drivers are also the ones that bring the results home. There are good forwards in football who always hit the post or the crossbar, and they just can't score. Then there are those who can throw it inside the net, and he is not one of them, for now.

"It's logical for me to root for Ferrari, as an Italian, as Flavio Briatore, and as Renault, for the relationship we have with Ferrari. McLaren, by contrast, accused us of espionage: we went on for four months for a silly thing that didn't exist."

ouch.. but touting his 'relationship with ferrari'? 2 years ago he was calling ferrari the devil.

[More&Faster]

it seems like everyone is pulling together to hate on hamilton

[More&Faster]

Twice this week, Fernando Alonso has made it very clear that he doesn’t want Lewis Hamilton to win the 2008 title - once, in Thursday’s press conference, when Lewis was sat right in front of him.

That’s Alonso’s opinion and he’s entitled to it. But you get the feeling Alonso is not just saying it because it’s the truth - he’s saying it with the quite deliberate intention of unsettling Hamilton. And that’s out of order.

In case there was anyone left who didn’t get the message, he has repeated it again, in an interview with Spanish broadcaster Telecinco:

“Last year, when the championship was at this stage, everyone said they wanted either me or Kimi [Raikkonen] to win,” Alonso said. “This year, all the drivers want Massa to be champion, so I think it is not my problem, it is Hamilton’s.”

There, he said it: ALL the drivers want Massa to be champion, not Lewis.

i'm loving this

[Redliner]

i'm loving this

Hamilton is going to need a hug from Dennis after all of this

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

i'm loving this

i can think of two drivers that want hamilton to win, and not massa...

hamilton and bourdais

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

FIA clarifies standard engine tender

By Jonathan Noble Friday, October 17th 2008, 08:15 GMT

Formula One manufacturers will still be able to build their own engines when standard power units are introduced from the start of 2010, the FIA has confirmed.

Motor racing's governing body announced on Friday that it will open the tender process for standard engines and transmissions to be used from 2010 to 2013.

A spokesman for the FIA confirmed that the plan now is for the FIA to amend F1's regulations, as further details of the plan were also announced.

The spokesman said: "The FIA intends to amend the regulations to require all F1 competitors to use a standardised engine.

"The provider will set out a detailed design and will either provide engines in full working order or the detailed designs to allow competitors to build their own standardised engine.

"Where competitors choose to build all or part of their standardized engine, the appointed provider will assist the FIA in ensuring all engines and parts have been built in accordance with the appropriate design and conforms to a performance output in a prescribed range."

The FIA's announcement about standard engines comes just a few days before Mosley meets with Formula One team principals to discuss cost cuts in the sport.

so what they're proposing is that there is 1 design, and you can either ask for the plans and DIY or buy it pre-built. seriously what is the point of allowing them to build a design not theirs? just so they can re-badge it as a factory engine?
allowing them to build their own 'spec' engine is like trying to let someone find a way to cheat and not get caught... *coughoyota*

[_R_]

if f1 continues to go spec.... i dunno... i don't feel good about that...

[_R_]

i'm loving this

this is confusing me... I'm starting to really like alonso this season...
something is not right in the universe...

[F1]

How many on-track accidents has Hamilton caused because of his aggressive driving? Zero. That's more than can be said of Massa or Coulthard and some other drivers.


That being said, whatever Alonso is being paid isn't enough. I don't think it's any coincidence that Renault has gone from shit to a front-runner twice now with Alonso at the team.

[_R_]

How many on-track accidents has Hamilton caused because of his aggressive driving? Zero. That's more than can be said of Massa or Coulthard and some other drivers.

if you count running people off the road, enough...
and i do believe he's run into kimi if you want to count that as aggressive driving or not paying attention to lights that's another topic

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

if you count running people off the road, enough...
and i do believe he's run into kimi if you want to count that as aggressive driving or not paying attention to lights that's another topic

but kimi and the F1-2008 was acting all sexy... he deserved it

you also forgot ham's "what what? in da butt" incident with alonso at bahrain

[cafcwest]

this is confusing me... I'm starting to really like alonso this season...
something is not right in the universe...

QFT. It feel a little dirty about it, but it is what it is.

[Redliner]

so what they're proposing is that there is 1 design, and you can either ask for the plans and DIY or buy it pre-built. seriously what is the point of allowing them to build a design not theirs? just so they can re-badge it as a factory engine?
allowing them to build their own 'spec' engine is like trying to let someone find a way to cheat and not get caught... *coughoyota*

F1 is becoming such a sham These rules make no logical sense whatsoever...do they NOT realize that by doing so, they are stripping F1 of what F1 is?!

[Skyliner]

I don't know what to say... if everyone drove like Lewis around Lewis, he'd be pissed...

That article made me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

I loves me some Trulli.

[Skyliner]

just a temporary unfreeze for renault, toyo and honda ONLY.

As much as a Toyota fan as I am, that's pretty silly.

[MrHahn]

but kimi and the F1-2008 was acting all sexy... he deserved it

you also forgot ham's "what what? in da butt" incident with alonso at bahrain

He tried it again at Fuji last week - just after he'd run Raikkonen off the road

That’s Alonso’s opinion and he’s entitled to it. But you get the feeling Alonso is not just saying it because it’s the truth - he’s saying it with the quite deliberate intention of unsettling Hamilton. And that’s out of order.

What kind of biased writing is that. You may as well come out in print saying Alonso is a bad sport for not liking Hamilton and in turn should help him win the championship. Fucking brits!

[Nacho]

Lewis Hamilton says the current waves of criticism do not affect him - because he is used to it.

"It's been a similar thing my whole career," he told Germany's Frankfurter Allgemeinen Zeitung newspaper, connecting his unpopularity among his peers with his success.

The McLaren driver, who is close friends with Adrian Sutil, also said he does not seek many friendships in the paddock.

"I am not a member of the GPDA and I don't participate in a lot of other things. So I don't think they can judge me. If they don't like me, it's perhaps because they don't know me.

"For lots of friendships we don't have time. If I was here to make friends, then what they are saying about me would be a lot harder to take.
"

The venom of some of the disdain for the Briton is obvious, including from Fernando Alonso, who has vowed to help Felipe Massa to beat Hamilton to the 2008 title.

"Some like you, others hate you," Hamilton continued. "That's a shame, because we are all people, and we're all here to do our jobs and not to fight."

Mark Webber has responded angrily to media reportage of his comments about Lewis Hamilton.

Amid drivers' concerns about some of the championship leader's recent on-track manoeuvres, the Australian had compared Hamilton's start at Fuji a week ago with the events at Monza in 2000.

"We lost a marshal when there were guys moving around in the braking areas. That is what we want a chat about," said Webber, ahead of the drivers' briefing in China.

Some publications, however, interpreted Webber as indicating that unless Hamilton's tactics are reigned in, a fatality could occur.

"I'm very disappointed at the headlines.
I'm disappointed with the press -- they come to you for your expertise and experience and sometimes they slate you," he told the BBC.

"I know I never said the word 'kill'. I said a lot of positive stuff about Lewis," the Red Bull driver added.

Amid the widespread scrutiny of Lewis Hamilton, his mentor and team boss Ron Dennis has leapt to the Shanghai pole sitter's defence.

All and sundry in the paddock of the Chinese Grand Prix and beyond, the 23-year-old Briton's rivals, foes and supporters have been micro-analysing his credentials and character as he looks to put a lid on his first world title.

Words like 'aggressive' and 'over confident' are now par for the course, and F1 Chief Executive Bernie Ecclestone believes Hamilton's brash attitude 'irritates' some.

McLaren's Dennis said on Saturday: "Lewis is no different to any of the other great champions in sport; Ayrton Senna, Michael Schumacher, Jimmy Connors, John McEnroe, they all had attitude."

Hamilton, who could wrap up the championship in China, has been the man to beat all weekend; fast throughout practice and qualifying, and ultimately two places ahead of his chief rival Felipe Massa on the grid.

"It looks like the McLaren guys had an easier car to put the lap together," the Ferrari driver said. "Anyway we don't know how it is going to be in the race."

http://en.f1-live.co...018104247.shtml

I love the whine quote from Massa at the end.

[Nacho]

Bernie Ecclestone on Friday said it is not inconceivable that Canada could win back its spot on the Formula One calendar.

The F1 chief executive recently cancelled the Montreal race's contract for 2009 and beyond.

"We tried our best, but they have not kept up their obligations for the past three years," he told Auto Motor und Sport in an interview.

"Until this point they have paid only 50 per cent of the money they owe us. I wouldn't say that Canada has no chance to return, but first they have to pay," the 77-year-old billionaire said.

Since the Canada axe, organisers of the Magny Cours race have called off the 2009 French Grand Prix for financial reasons.


"They had one more race than we were expecting," Ecclestone revealed.

"We don't have to worry," Bernie said. "There are four of five new people who are just waiting to get a Grand Prix."

http://en.f1-live.co...017165448.shtml

Bernie Ecclestone phoned Montreal Mayor Gerald Tremblay this week, indicating the Canadian Grand Prix might not be dead in the water.

The F1 CEO scrapped Circuit Gilles Villeneuve's scheduled 2009 race, as it appears the dispute was over several million dollars in debts.

But with levels of Canadian government subsequently vowing to step in, chief race backer Tremblay revealed he has spoken with Ecclestone about scheduling a meeting.


"If he's phoning us, it's because he has an interest to hold the Grand Prix in Montreal in 2009," he is quoted as saying by the Canadian Press agency.

http://en.f1-live.co...018105237.shtml

[Nacho]

The future looks brighter for Toro Rosso. Earlier this year, the partly Gerhard Berger-owned squad was in serious trouble, given Red Bull's dithering support and the looming end of the era when using a customer car is allowed.

But on both counts, the sand appears to have shifted somewhat. Red Bull mogul Dietrich Mateschitz's support seems more secure, and there are significant movements on the customer car issue.

Berger, meanwhile, said on Friday that Sebastian Vettel's debut win has helped the former Minardi squad to 'position ourselves in a good way'.

"Also my partner Red Bull is still committed very much behind the team," he said in China.

On the topic of customer cars, meanwhile, it emerged recently that Bernie Ecclestone has proposed that teams already involved in Formula One should be allowed to share technology, including the buying and selling of entire cars.


"If the regulations change in a way that the system we are using at the moment, and share costs and get synergies for both teams, I think the situation could change for us and could help us," Berger said.

It is understood that this potential rules shift led to Force India's talks with McLaren-Mercedes about a collaboration.

It is also clear that the Indian team is concerned about Ferrari's lagging progress with a KERS system for 2009, but it seems that a Force India-McLaren alliance would involve the sharing of engines, components and even aerodynamics.

"If Bernie's proposal actually goes through, I think it will be excellent for all independent teams and bring down costs substantially," Mallya said.

[kngrsll]

so much drama in F1...

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

http://en.f1-live.co...018104247.shtml

I love the whine quote from Massa at the end.

i guess drivers are not allowed to say other cars are performing better now?

hows that hatorade taste? it must pain you that both vettel and felipe having decent seasons..