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[Nacho]

i guess drivers are not allowed to say other cars are performing better now?

The full quote didn't sound so whiny, but that except sure does.

hows that hatorade taste? it must pain you that both vettel and felipe having decent seasons..

It does, actually. Well, vettel's half season, as he was predicted fail and aids for the first half of the season. But i'm actually not really mad at all about Fred's last two wins. He out-drove everyone, plain and simple.

[MrHahn]

McLaren's Dennis said on Saturday: "Lewis is no different to any of the other great champions in sport; Ayrton Senna, Michael Schumacher, Jimmy Connors, John McEnroe, they all had attitude."

I can think of one major reason how he's different you stupid shitcunt





hint - they all won stuff

[RedVVing19]

WTF is up with Kovi, there were plenty of excuses in the beginning of the season but he has simply not improved. With that car he should be on the podium as much as Lewis. I swear it is a different lame excuse every weekend with him.

[Skyliner]

I can think of one major reason how he's different you stupid shitcunt





hint - they all won stuff

If two of those throw their rackets, it generally doesn't push people into the gravel potentially ending their race.

[HighTachPres]

That being said, whatever Alonso is being paid isn't enough. I don't think it's any coincidence that Renault has gone from shit to a front-runner twice now with Alonso at the team.

well said my friend

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

Mosley stands by spec-engine plan

By Steven English and Simon Strang Tuesday, October 21st 2008, 10:50 GMT

Max Mosley remains convinced that his proposed standard engine regulation is the way forward for Formula One and that manufacturers will instead be free to seek advantages over their rivals through energy efficiency systems such as KERS, ahead of a crucial cost-cuts meeting scheduled for today.

The FIA president's idea for a spec-engine formula was met with concern by the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA), who fear that it would almost certainly drive manufacturers away from the sport, and would prefer standardised parts in other areas.

But Mosley, who is determined to push through radical cost cuts, insists that the freedom to develop technologies that will filter down into road cars is essential for the future credibility of the sport.

"KERS will be essential on all road-going vehicles in the future, irrespective of their means of primary propulsion," Mosley told Reuters. "The FIA therefore intends to keep KERS as a performance differentiator in Formula One and, indeed, increase its importance in 2011.

"This will give F1 far more relevance and credibility than the use of vastly expensive racing engines, or extremely light and sophisticated gearboxes, both of which are almost entirely irrelevant to modern road transport."

Mosley says he will continue to push for a standard engine in the FIA's meeting with FOTA in Geneva today and is determined that the new regulations will force F1 teams to spend their money in areas that will benefit all forms of motoring.

"To standardise a new technology which is directly relevant to the biggest single problem confronting road transport - energy efficiency - while allowing continued development in wholly irrelevant areas such as Formula One aerodynamics, is not rational," said Mosley.

"Technologies like KERS, as well as the recovery and re-use of exhaust energy and heat, should be the future performance differentiators in F1, not old or useless technologies such as ultra-high-speed engines or F1-specific aerodynamics."

seriously... fuck max mosley and bernie ecclestone.. i hope mad max dies in an auto-erotic asphyxiation accident.

hopefully FOTA won't bite and just creates a new series called GP1 or something, and tells bernie, max and the fia to go fuck themselves and their 'Formula One' trademark.

[chiuey]

seriously... fuck max mosley and bernie ecclestone.. i hope mad max dies in an auto-erotic asphyxiation accident.

hopefully FOTA won't bite and just creates a new series called GP1 or something, and tells bernie, max and the fia to go fuck themselves and their 'Formula One' trademark.

Switch FTW!

[Shi]

seriously... fuck max mosley and bernie ecclestone.. i hope mad max dies in an auto-erotic asphyxiation accident.

hopefully FOTA won't bite and just creates a new series called GP1 or something, and tells bernie, max and the fia to go fuck themselves and their 'Formula One' trademark.

F1 spec KERS is about as relevant to road cars as F1 spec engines to road cars

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

F1 spec KERS is about as relevant to road cars as F1 spec engines to road cars

really though, so what if it's not directly applicable? look at all that f1 as brought to road cars without ridiculous 'spec rules'..

Aerodynamics: Rear diffusers, Front splitters
Braking: Disc brakes, Carbon ceramic brake discs
Engine: Direct injection, ECU, DSG/paddle shifters
Vehicle dynamics: Active suspension, TC

i'm sure they weren't relevant to road cars when they were developed for f1 cars, but PEOPLE ADAPT F1 TECHNOLOGIES... surely somebody in the FIA must understand that..

i can understand the argument with aerodynamics as it is shape/form dependent. but who knows, perhaps there is potential for high revving low displacement engines in road cars that has not been realized yet.. it wasn't that long ago that nobody saw a use for DI in road cars, and now with the whole CO2 emission regs its starting to get a lot more interest..

[_R_]

A raft of cost-cutting measures has been agreed between the FIA and the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) in a landmark meeting in Geneva, it was announced in a joint statement on Tuesday.

It is believed that a broad agreement was reached between FIA president Max Mosley and FOTA chiefs Luca di Montezemolo and John Howett to introduce drastic cost reductions from next year.

The joint statement read: "Today's meeting in Geneva has produced significant cost savings for 2009 and 2010.

"FOTA are working urgently on further proposals for 2010 and thereafter."

But while the statement did not detail any specific measures, autosport.com understands that four key points were agreed:

- Engine life will be increased from two to three races from 2009

- Manufacturers must be prepared to make 25 engine units available, at a cost of 10 million Euros, to customer teams

- There will be a further meeting between FOTA members in Brazil to determine testing kilometre limits for 2009, and an agreement in principal on the introduction of a standard KERS unit for 2010 or 2011

- The sport's governing body and FOTA will meet again after the Brazilian Grand Prix to discuss measures to reduce costs related to chassis development and the continuation of the use of customer chassis in the future.

When asked to comment on the agreements, an FIA spokesman said it was "improper to comment at this time", but described the meeting as "very positive and constructive."

One source added that the meeting had "historical" significance because it "was the first time the teams had enjoyed such unanimity" in their discussions over the sport's future direction.

the thing that stands out most is that 25 engines cost $10m Euros...
I knew shit was expensive, but that's like $600,000 USD per engine roughly...

[Redliner]

the thing that stands out most is that 25 engines cost $10m Euros...
I knew shit was expensive, but that's like $600,000 USD per engine roughly...

I'm happy to hear that there was no discussions of a single engine supplier

I wish someone would look at the long-term future of F1 and to plan accordingly. Every single rule change put in place in the last 5 years has been revamped to try and 'reduce costs.' How difficult would it be to wait until the season's over, invite team bosses, drivers, managers, engineers to sit down in a round table discussion to improve the sport for the long haul rather than making changes here and there every 1 - 2 years.

F1 needs to be more stable than this. And needs to curtail costs, that I agree. But making dumb rule changes half way thru while throwing away what the core of F1 is, just does not sit well with me.

I guess this is the European way of doing things?

[DrDickAction]

the thing that stands out most is that 25 engines cost $10m Euros...
I knew shit was expensive, but that's like $600,000 USD per engine roughly...

The thing that really stands out to me is your new AV.

The last one was SUPER-cute-hot, this one is more creepy hot

[DrDickAction]

really though, so what if it's not directly applicable? look at all that f1 as brought to road cars without ridiculous 'spec rules'..

Aerodynamics: Rear diffusers, Front splitters
Braking: Disc brakes, Carbon ceramic brake discs
Engine: Direct injection, ECU, DSG/paddle shifters
Vehicle dynamics: Active suspension, TC

i'm sure they weren't relevant to road cars when they were developed for f1 cars, but PEOPLE ADAPT F1 TECHNOLOGIES... surely somebody in the FIA must understand that..

i can understand the argument with aerodynamics as it is shape/form dependent. but who knows, perhaps there is potential for high revving low displacement engines in road cars that has not been realized yet.. it wasn't that long ago that nobody saw a use for DI in road cars, and now with the whole CO2 emission regs its starting to get a lot more interest..

In for hybrid-boost-launch-control-afterburners. Would come in handy as shit on some of the short on-ramps we have in L.A.

[DrDickAction]

I can think of one major reason how he's different you stupid shitcunt





hint - they all won stuff

[DrDickAction]

That being said, whatever Alonso is being paid isn't enough. I don't think it's any coincidence that Renault has gone from shit to a front-runner twice now with Alonso at the team.

not to mention macca having a nice bounce back with the help of emo.....and ferrari

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

In for hybrid-boost-launch-control-afterburners. Would come in handy as shit on some of the short on-ramps we have in L.A.

or this..

[Skyliner]

Mercedes KERS power versus Ferrari KERS power! WHO WILL WIN DOWN THE STRAIGHT!?

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

Mercedes KERS power versus Ferrari KERS power! WHO WILL WIN DOWN THE STRAIGHT!?

Honda

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

the thing that stands out most is that 25 engines cost $10m Euros...
I knew shit was expensive, but that's like $600,000 USD per engine roughly...

you can't think of it as 25 engines at 600k per...

its a 1-year R&D and supply contract for engines, costing 10million, including expertise and customer support for the buying team..

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

the thing that stands out most is that 25 engines cost $10m Euros...
I knew shit was expensive, but that's like $600,000 USD per engine roughly...

you can't think of it as 25 engines at 600k per...

its a 1-year R&D and supply contract for engines, costing 10million, including expertise and customer support for the buying team..

[Nacho]

the thing that stands out most is that 25 engines cost $10m Euros...
I knew shit was expensive, but that's like $600,000 USD per engine roughly...

At least they're not standardized.

I still think it's sheisty that Ferrari's man was the lone representitive for the FOTA though.

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

At least they're not standardized.

I still think it's sheisty that Ferrari's man was the lone representitive for the FOTA though.

he was VOTED the chairman of FOTA by the teams involved. john hewitt (toyota) was voted vice-chairman.. the guy hasn't been involved with scuderia ferrari for decades, regardless of how he talks as if he still has a say in the direction of SF..


domenicali reports to jean todt, who is the top dog at ferrari.


what's 'sheisty' about a vote that all of the teams agreed on? it's not like he showed up in the boardroom that day with a boner and told the rest of the team principals to bend over.

[Nacho]

he was VOTED the chairman of FOTA by the teams involved. john hewitt was voted vice-chairman.. the guy hasn't been involved with scuderia ferrari for decades.

what's 'sheisty' about a vote that all of the teams agreed on?

I inherently dun trust Ferrari and the FIA getting together.

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

I inherently dun trust Ferrari and the FIA getting together.

this has as much to do with Ferrari and FIA as it does any other manufacturer and FIA. he's officially speaking on behalf of FOTA, and has no official say on F1 other than FOTA, which is probably the reason he was voted in (because he can't really influence any teams directly, but has been there and knows how contemporary f1 teams operate)

[Nacho]

this has as much to do with Ferrari and FIA as it does any other manufacturer and FIA. he's officially speaking on behalf of FOTA, and has no official say on F1 other than FOTA, which is probably the reason he was voted in (because he can't really influence any teams directly, but has been there and knows how contemporary f1 teams operate)