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[MrHahn]

Kobi just got more boss

[vietlol]

Renot can blow 50% others cant

change half way through fp1

:clap: FIA

[chiuey]

Renot can blow 50% others cant

change half way through fp1

:clap: FIA

yeah that's bullshit...


but so is changing the rules half way thru a season

[MrBucket]

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

What a mess. Hope the sort this shit out and make it fair before tomorrow's quali.

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/92948

Basically right now Mercedes and Renault engines are effectively exempt from the ban. So basically what this means is Ferrari and Cosworth engines are the only ones getting screwed over.

[_R_]

It's a fucked up situation. Mclaren is pissed cause Renault/RBR get 50% off throttle (supposedly RBR use 45% up to this point anyways) and RBR is says it's fair because McLaren and Merc get overrun throttle allowance but that might change tomorrow.

Ferrari and cosworth powered cars just getting fucked. Though rumors are this was all Ferraris idea since they couldn't get the off throttle difuser thing to work so they complained. Figure that shit out.

FIA need to stop messing with the rules mid season like this. Little tweaks sure but stuff like this save for the next season.

[Nacho]

It's a fucked up situation. Mclaren is pissed cause Renault/RBR get 50% off throttle (supposedly RBR use 45% up to this point anyways) and RBR is says it's fair because McLaren and Merc get overrun throttle allowance but that might change tomorrow.

Ferrari and cosworth powered cars just getting fucked. Though rumors are this was all Ferraris idea since they couldn't get the off throttle difuser thing to work so they complained. Figure that shit out.

FIA need to stop messing with the rules mid season like this. Little tweaks sure but stuff like this save for the next season.

I had read that it was HRT that was going to protest first.

[_R_]

I had read that it was HRT that was going to protest first.

I read that as well but I doubt that the FIA would do something drastic like this for HRT of all teams especially since they just got sold again. Ferrari has more clout by a mile and then some.

[Nacho]

I read that as well but I doubt that the FIA would do something drastic like this for HRT of all teams especially since they just got sold again. Ferrari has more clout by a mile and then some.

That's per Ross Brawn, who's generally pretty blunt and straight up.

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/92911

[shallow777]

If you cant beat them ban it.

[Nacho]

If you cant beat them ban it.

Last Autosport article I read mentioned Sauber and Ferrari being the hold out parties on releasing the rules back to pre-silverstone style, so who knows.

[yonson]

Red Bull is planning to pair Sebastian Vettel with his friend Kimi Raikkonen in 2012.

That is the sensational claim of the high-circulation German newspaper Bild-Zeitung, less than two days after Mark Webber ignored team orders at the end of the British grand prix.





2007 world champion and Finn Raikkonen, 31, left formula one at the end of 2009, and Red Bull team boss Christian Horner was quoted on Monday as saying "I believe he has put F1 behind him".

Bild said the plan to replace Australian Webber with Raikkonen is "top secret" but divulged the information of a source "at the highest level".

German Vettel remains friends with Raikkonen, the pair often meeting in Switzerland to play badminton. Asked recently who his ideal teammate is, the reigning world champion replied: "Kimi."

The former Ferrari and McLaren race winner had talks with Red Bull last year and has now "apparently changed his mind" about wanting to stay in rallying and NASCAR.

And referring to Webber, Red Bull's driver manager Helmut Marko told Bild recently: "We have other options but I don't want to talk about them now."

The report also said Raikkonen told a Finnish journalist recently: "I have never said that my formula one career is over."










DREAM TEAM!!!!!! for me at least...

[vietlol]

F1 comebacks have worked out really well recently.

Kimi couldn't even beat Massa last time out, why would RBR want him

[_R_]

Red Bull is planning to pair Sebastian Vettel with his friend Kimi Raikkonen in 2012.
DREAM TEAM!!!!!! for me at least...

if that happens my head will explode
EPIC!

[DrDickAction]

Although I'd LOVE to see a motivated Kimi and Seb in identical equipment, I just don't see the former ever happening again.

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

I'll file this under "not gonna happen", just like a Schumi F1 comeback.



IOW, slightly less skeptical this time around, though I wouldn't be at all surprised if Kimi struggled compared to Vettel.


Mateschitz expects Webbo to stay put:
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/93058

[TimzSI]

won't happen

but i'd have a reason to not hate red bull finally

[Nacho]

Kimi could barely handle Massa, what makes you think he'll have anything for Vettel?

[vietlol]

From Autosport


"Ummm, I'm gonna need you to go ahead come in tomorrow. So if you could be here around 9 that would be great, mmmk... oh oh! and I almost forgot ahh, I'm also gonna need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday too, kay."

[cASe SenSiTive]

Kimi could barely handle Massa, what makes you think he'll have anything for Vettel?

Massa was a different driver before that spring hit him.

[cASe SenSiTive]

From Autosport

[ig]http://oi56.tinypic.com/hw9y1g.jpg[/img]
"Ummm, I'm gonna need you to go ahead come in tomorrow. So if you could be here around 9 that would be great, mmmk... oh oh! and I almost forgot ahh, I'm also gonna need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday too, kay."

Pic on the wall with Enzo, Nikki, and Luca.

[Redliner]

[Nacho]

Whiting explains the back and forth on the blown diffuser regulations at Silverstone

...Whiting also took the opportunity to explain some of the background to the situation.

"The matter was initiated by the FIA when facts concerning some quite extreme, and hitherto unseen, engine mapping began to emerge," he said. "We were concerned that exhaust tailpipes were being positioned and engine maps created with the primary objective of improving in the aerodynamic performance of the car. Prior to that it had been assumed that any aerodynamic benefits were incidental to the primary purpose of the engine and its exhausts, i.e. that of generating torque."

But he admitted that the FIA's "blanket" approach to regulating the engine maps had created problems of its own.

"It soon became apparent that the matter was more complex than initially thought," Whiting said. "The main problem was the difficulty of ensuring that teams were not prevented from using existing legitimate strategies whilst ensuring that the extreme mapping was no longer possible. This is why we postponed the introduction of the measures until the British Grand Prix. There are also a number of other mechanical factors to take into account such as the architecture of the engine throttles themselves (butterfly or barrel operation)."

He also explained why the regulations changed during the grand prix weekend.

"The matter was still being discussed because one engine manufacturer (Renault Sport) was reluctant to run with the settings we had imposed and continued to try and convince us that they would require alternative settings in order to maintain their perfect reliability record," Whiting added. "At the last minute additional information was provided to us which we felt would be hard to refuse having already made a small concession to another manufacturer (Mercedes Benz HPE).

"However, further discussions on Friday evening and Saturday morning resulted in us deciding that we had conceded too much and, to be fair to the manufacturers who had presented cars in what we considered the correct configuration, we should revert to the specification we had specified in our note to the teams on 20 June. This is how all teams then ran on Saturday and Sunday in Silverstone." ....

http://en.espnf1.com...tory/54269.html

[Redliner]

If fuel flow for the V6 Turbos are going to be the same as the V8 2.4Ls right now, that means the car's aren't really going to be saving any/much gas. Why not have both engine formulas in place to satisify some of the bigger marquees (Ferrari) while having the V6 Turbos in for the ones that care about their image of fuel efficency (Renualt). It would even save the teams on the cost of having to develop a new motor totally...If there was an option for 2 engine formulas, I'd even be okay with 4cyl turbos / V8 NA motors with Hybrid technology incorporated.

I just don't understand Formula 1's logic sometimes.

[MrHahn]

I think they'd be worried about balancing the rules with two engine options. It would kind of be like Michelin and Bridgestone back in the day - except only harder to balance.

Imagine if 2 races into the season, half the grid realises turbo is the way to go and they start developing a new engine and dump the V8. Or they'd just complain and change the rules kind of like the current blown diffuser situation.