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[chiuey]

If fuel flow for the V6 Turbos are going to be the same as the V8 2.4Ls right now, that means the car's aren't really going to be saving any/much gas. Why not have both engine formulas in place to satisify some of the bigger marquees (Ferrari) while having the V6 Turbos in for the ones that care about their image of fuel efficency (Renualt). It would even save the teams on the cost of having to develop a new motor totally...If there was an option for 2 engine formulas, I'd even be okay with 4cyl turbos / V8 NA motors with Hybrid technology incorporated.

I just don't understand Formula 1's logic sometimes.

I like your original proposal from before, if they are really concerned about being more green or conserving energy, or even using energy recovery, they should just set a limit on the amount of fuel allowed per friday, quali and race. But to make that even a bigger factor, fuel left over cannot be re-used, but can be calculated as tie breaker points at the end of the season.

[Redliner]

I like your original proposal from before, if they are really concerned about being more green or conserving energy, or even using energy recovery, they should just set a limit on the amount of fuel allowed per friday, quali and race. But to make that even a bigger factor, fuel left over cannot be re-used, but can be calculated as tie breaker points at the end of the season.

F1 isn't about actually being green. Only appearing to be green. The V6s get the same fuel flow as the current V8s - which to me means that the cars will more or less get the same mpg. Why fake it? Take it to the next level and do it right and achieve something with the change of rules...

[AErrorist]

Aren't the motors already ridiculously "efficent" already? The power for fuel consumed is pretty astronomical.

[Nacho]

Given that the cars now can't refuel, I'd think there's still a pretty decent benefit for making them more efficient in the fact they can leave the grid with less fuel.

No real need to regulate new minimums when there's already competitive advantage to be had.

[Redliner]

Things aren't looking good for Sutil, lol. First, a Renu exec, and now a wrecked Gumpert at the 'Ring.

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[DrDickAction]

Given that the cars now can't refuel, I'd think there's still a pretty decent benefit for making them more efficient in the fact they can leave the grid with less fuel.

No real need to regulate new minimums when there's already competitive advantage to be had.

Ehh, I think a new lower flow rate would force some creative solutions. Shit, nobody was developing diffusers until all of the other, more easily developed, bits were locked down in the regs.

[DrDickAction]

@ Sutil

[Nacho]

Ehh, I think a new lower flow rate would force some creative solutions. Shit, nobody was developing diffusers until all of the other, more easily developed, bits were locked down in the regs.

I still think that the lack of refueling will push for development on the efficiency front. They said that the fuel that Lewis was lacking in Silverstone was good for what, .2 seconds a lap? And it couldn't have been THAT much fuel as he was still able to finish the race.

Add to that the tighter packaging an engine developer will allow the chassis manufacturer and/or more space for KERS and it'll be another benefit for someone like Newey who loves drawing the chassis extra tight.

[cASe SenSiTive]

F1 isn't about actually being green. Only appearing to be green. The V6s get the same fuel flow as the current V8s - which to me means that the cars will more or less get the same mpg. Why fake it? Take it to the next level and do it right and achieve something with the change of rules...

Just like a lot of things, it's all about how they look, not what they do.
"Hey everybody! We're using smaller fuel-efficient V6s now, instead of those big evil V8s that destroy the environment!"

Never mind that the difference is basically a wash. Also, never mind that people who bitch about auto racing not being "green" aren't going to watch it regardless.

[cASe SenSiTive]

I do kinda wish they had done something more innovative with the engine rules though. It would have been cool to see competing design philosophies again (V12, V10, V8, V6, I4).
Give them a set amount of fuel for the weekend, a 2.4L NA limit, a 1.6L turbo limit, and a 20k RPM limit.

Of course, one team or another would end up choosing the wrong combo, and instead of sucking it up and re-engineering it, would just bitch and moan until the other teams were hamstrung.

I just miss the real technical innovations that you can see. The aero stuff has obviously gone through some amazing engineering over that last several years, but it's not the same kind of impact as different engines or suspension designs.

[cASe SenSiTive]

Along a similar line, I sometimes wonder what the sport would look like if they hadn't banned active suspensions. Can you imaging almost 20 years of development from where Williams was in the early 90s?

At the same time, we also likely wouldn't have seen the huge development of aero over that same period.

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

Along a similar line, I sometimes wonder what the sport would look like if they hadn't banned active suspensions. Can you imaging almost 20 years of development from where Williams was in the early 90s?

At the same time, we also likely wouldn't have seen the huge development of aero over that same period.

More and more its LM that's bringing new developments that trickle down to production cars these days. I think the last major contribution (aside from KERS, because that isn't a common option yet) is paddle shifters, from the early 90s.

There is still a lot of active suspension research going on out there, just not at the pace of F1 development.

[cASe SenSiTive]

More and more its LM that's bringing new developments that trickle down to production cars these days. I think the last major contribution (aside from KERS, because that isn't a common option yet) is paddle shifters, from the early 90s.

There is still a lot of active suspension research going on out there, just not at the pace of F1 development.

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Look at almost every high performance and luxury car out there, and they're running some sort of active suspension.

[Redliner]

Someone clue me into why active suspension was banned in the first place? Was it just because one team had it and all the other teams protested because it was so quick? IMO, there is no reason to have banned active suspension and that could have easily made its way into street cars today at a much better / more effective rate.

Aero development does not impress me. I can't touch it, feel it, or fuck it. I can touch, feel, and fuck a V12 getting 40mpg tho Even tho it'd be ackward to

[cASe SenSiTive]

Someone clue me into why active suspension was banned in the first place? Was it just because one team had it and all the other teams protested because it was so quick? IMO, there is no reason to have banned active suspension and that could have easily made its way into street cars today at a much better / more effective rate.

Aero development does not impress me. I can't touch it, feel it, or fuck it. I can touch, feel, and fuck a V12 getting 40mpg tho Even tho it'd be ackward to

As I recall it was a couple reasons that were given for banning active suspension. It was crazy-expensive to develop, and some teams were just never going to be able to afford it. There was also a feeling that all of the electronic driver aids were taking the skill out of the competition.

[TimzSI]

And they killed Senna (possibly) getting rid of it. :/

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

Some rule confirmations for 2014:

Confirmation of the increase to 15,000[rpm], which formed part of the 2014 F1 Technical Regulations released by the FIA yesterday, will go some way toward allaying those fears.

Other changes include the requirement for drivers to be able to start the cars themselves, rather than relying on external starters.

Regulation 5.18 states: "It must be possible for the driver to start the engine at any time when seated normally at the wheel and without any external assistance."

The new rules also place an increasing importance upon alternative energy systems, including a requirement for cars to be operative entirely under electrical power when in pitlane.

According to rule 5.19: "The car must be run in electric mode (no ignition and no fuel supply to the engine) at all times when being driven in the pit lane."

Other areas to be affected by the change include the transmission, with a mandatory eight-speed gearbox to be introduced.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93204

So basically don't blow all of your KERS on your in-lap? Or is the pit-lane speed limit mode exempt from the 180kW per lap limit?

[MrBucket]

We need liveries like Hesketh Racing had back in the day, Penthouse and rolling papers on one car.

[Redliner]

"Did someone say whistle tips?? WOO WOO!"

[vietlol]

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Liuzzi to race V8s pretty cool

[MrHahn]

Some rule confirmations for 2014:


http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/93204

So basically don't blow all of your KERS on your in-lap? Or is the pit-lane speed limit mode exempt from the 180kW per lap limit?

What green were they smoking when making up these rules?

People have enough troubles with KERS - so we make them rely on it. Dumb.

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

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[cASe SenSiTive]

2011 Singapore GP concert series, featuring Linkin Park, Shaggy and Rick Astley
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[DrDickAction]

More shocking that they'd have Rick Astley, or that he's by far the best act?

[Redliner]

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