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[_R_]

sounds pretty cool, see all the cars at once

probably one of the best ideas they've had...
now if they streamed it online live for free that would be

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

probably one of the best ideas they've had...
now if they streamed it online live for free that would be

I like the fact that all the cars will shakedown at the track to have comparable times, but having all the launches on one single day means that the rest of the offseason is just that much more dead than if the launches were spread out...

[kngrsll]

[MrHahn]

That Renault F1 power oversteer at the end was the highlight

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

New points structure for 2010?

F1 set to adopt new points system

By Matt Beer Thursday, December 10th 2009, 18:52 GMT

Formula 1 is set for a radical alteration to its points system in 2010 if the World Motor Sport Council approves an F1 Commission proposal to give points to the top 10 finishers in each race.

In today's Commission meeting, chaired by Bernie Ecclestone and attended by FIA president Jean Todt, a new scoring system was put forward which will award 25 points to each race winner, 20 for second place, 15 for third and 10 for fourth, before descending 8-6-5-3-2-1 for fifth through 10th positions.

The change has been proposed to take into account the increased field for 2010, when the addition of the new entrants will take the grid up to 26 cars, its highest figure since 1995.

Assuming it is approved by the WMSC, the change would be the first revision to the points system since the number of scoring drivers per race was increased from six to eight in 2003.

The F1 Commission also agreed that its Sporting Working Group sub-committee should develop "detailed proposals to improve the show" that would take effect next year, and that "the FIA and FOM will further collaborate to enhance the communication and promotion of the championship to the media and its worldwide fanbase."

, tho I'm not sure why the point differentials between positions are inconsistent...

5 - 5 - 5 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 1

Why not just:

25pts
20pts
15pts
10pts
8pts
6pts
4pts
3pts
2pts
1pt

[DrDickAction]

youtube

Chills, I has them

[DrDickAction]

New points structure for 2010?



, tho I'm not sure why the point differentials between positions are inconsistent...

5 - 5 - 5 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 1

Why not just:

25pts
20pts
15pts
10pts
8pts
6pts
4pts
3pts
2pts
1pt

agreed

[_R_]

scoring system is close to MotoGP's scoring system...
wonder who recommended that idea months ago...

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

scoring system is close to MotoGP's scoring system...
wonder who recommended that idea months ago...

I still think the points paying positions in MotoGP go down too far.. But that's personal preference.

When over 70% of the grid gets points I think you need to trim the number of points-paying positions.

[DrDickAction]

I still think the points paying positions in MotoGP go down too far.. But that's personal preference.

When over 70% of the grid gets points I think you need to trim the number of points-paying positions.

kind of like NBA playoffs...you have to be bad to not make the playoffs, not good to make the playoffs. Mediocrity shouldn't be rewarded.

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

Greatest F1 drivers, as voted by their peers:

http://f1greatestdri....autosport.com/


Active drivers on the list:

Spoiler

30. Jenson Button
26. Sebastian Vettel
17. Lewis Hamilton
9. Fernando Alonso

[Nacho]

Greatest F1 drivers, as voted by their peers:

http://f1greatestdri....autosport.com/


Active drivers on the list:

Spoiler

30. Jenson Button
26. Sebastian Vettel
17. Lewis Hamilton
9. Fernando Alonso

Honestly, the more I hear about Fangio, the more I think that he should be above MS in overall rankings of drivers.

[chiuey]

Honestly, the more I hear about Fangio, the more I think that he should be above MS in overall rankings of drivers.

I think fangio is the best. Considering the machinery they were dealing with back then and the lack of safety, it is already amazing that he won that many races and still lived a full life whilst many of his fellow racers never made it.

[Redliner]

Fangio FTW!

[vietlol]

I still say cross-generation comparisons are stupid. Infact if you look at any professional sport over the course of several decades the skill level goes UP not down, especially as competition increases.

[vietlol]

and vettel at #26 on that list...are you fucking kidding me kid is just barely starting his carreer

[chiuey]

I still say cross-generation comparisons are stupid. Infact if you look at any professional sport over the course of several decades the skill level goes UP not down, especially as competition increases.

Agreed, and also with the way technology has advanced, drivers can push WAY MORE HARDER with their machinery now than they could before without getting themselves killed

and vettel at #26 on that list...are you fucking kidding me kid is just barely starting his carreer

Agreed, He's good, but not ready to be put on the all time record. Same goes for Lewis and any driver that has been in F1 less than 5 yrs.

[MrHahn]

Agreed, He's good, but not ready to be put on the all time record. Same goes for Lewis and any driver that has been in F1 less than 5 yrs.

Not ahead of triple world champions

[DrDickAction]

new points system is official btw:

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/80531

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

Ex-F1 drivers to join stewards' panel

By Edd Straw Friday, December 11th 2009, 15:25 GMT

Experienced ex-Formula 1 drivers will be part of the stewards' panel from the start of the 2010 grand prix season.

The FIA World Motor Sport Council ratified plans to overhaul judicial procedures today, with four stewards now sitting at each grand prix rather than the current three.

These will be made up of those drawn from a smaller permanent group of F1 stewards and ex-drivers, along with one steward representing the National Sporting Authority holding the grand prix.

The non-voting chairman, a role filled up to now by Alan Donnelly, will no longer be involved in the process, with the four stewards electing their own chairman at each race. Donnelly had played a major part in recommending improvements to the stewarding system over the past two years.

Stewards will be allowed to use video and radio resources to help make quick and accurate decisions.

The FIA will continue to observe and train stewards according to guidelines agreed in 2008, and is confident that a process of constant review will continue to improve stewarding standards.

"The current observer programme for F1 stewards will continue, and training, distribution of decisions, and an annual meeting will be encouraged to raise the quality of decisions in this permanent group," said an FIA World Motor Sport Council statement.

Ex-driver stewards FTW. Hopefully this results in less WTF stewards decisions in the future.


Lots of good things happening to the F1 framework in the last week... Could Todt's influence already be playing a role?

[Nacho]

Stirling Moss basically calling everyone out for being bitches.

Motorsport without danger is like cooking without salt

In this world competition is seen as harmful and people seem to be more and more wrapped up in cotton wool. In contrast Sir Stirling Moss' life in F1 was when it was probably the most dangerous sport in the world. Claire Furnell met up with him at his London home to talk about just how much things have changed.

"One of the reasons I went into racing was because it was dangerous," he said. "That's what teenagers do. Someone says they are a racing driver and people say 'Wow that must be dangerous'. If it hadn't been dangerous, it wouldn't have been nearly as attractive to me - it is an important part of racing, like salt is to cooking.

"These days I can't think of anything safer than a Formula One car if you have an accident. Some years ago we had Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna touching wheels, and meaning to, at 180mph. The safety of today's car certainly does affect the quality of racing. Twenty years after I retired from F1, I had a few outings in touring cars driving an Audi. If my car did not come home with a dent on every corner, I wasn't going fast enough."

Having suffered a serious head injury himself, which led to his retirement, Moss was keen to talk about the freak accident suffered by Felipe Massa earlier this year.

"It will be interesting to see how he performs on his return after his terrible accident. Today's helmet technology is amazing when compared to a helmet from the 1950s and 60s when they were basically a slightly modified polo helmet.

"After an accident they say it's best to get back in the car as soon as you can. Of course when I had my big accident at Goodwood in 1962, I couldn't get back straight away - I was unconscious for a month and paralysed for six. Although I had the same ability as before, whereas before I could drive automatically and without thinking, after the accident I had to concentrate and think about what I was doing; that's why I was forced to retire. I really hope it won't be the same for Massa, but if he finds he has to think about it, he will find it difficult."

Of course with danger often comes disaster; Moss is more than aware he is one of the lucky ones of his generation. He survived in the days before Armco and run-off areas.

"Unfortunately, we lost three or four really good drivers every year - that was the downside of our sport - but you had to have confidence in your own ability. Don't get me wrong, death was not the aim. The biggest problem in my day was the lack of strength in the cars: they would break because the materials were not up to the job. It's not a huge surprise as we would take production parts and modify them to use on a racing car. Nowadays every part is purpose made for a specific function.

"Getting into an old Formula One car you knew you were really vulnerable. To use a straightforward analogy, if a tightrope was only one foot above the ground anyone would try it, if its 50 feet in the air not many would and without a safety net even fewer. That was the appeal of racing to me."

Most people think that the safety measures introduced to F1 since he retired must have improved the sport, but Moss has his own take on the situation.

"I know when drivers of today get into a car like mine they say 'you must have been mad, it's really unsafe - crazy'. Jackie Stewart did a lot towards making racing safer. Today we have huge run-off areas for example. To me, at some circuits, this rather emasculates the sport."

Moss, like many, was shocked to hear accounts of the "Crashgate" saga, but he firmly believes the demise of the sporting nature of F1 stems back much further.

"The way Flavio Briatore and his team behaved in Singapore, which "allegedly" led to Piquet crashing his car, was appalling. It is no longer a sport - in the way that horse racing isn't a sport. In my mind when we allowed adverts on cars it was a backwards step in racing. Once you get advertisers it means there is big money coming in, that is likely to remove the sporting element. It is an interesting and sometimes exciting business. There is, however, virtually nothing sporting about it at all."

For Moss, his racing days must often seem a long time ago - this year he turned 80 - while many at his age would be content with a pipe and slippers he shows no sign of slowing down and can still be found racing in selected historic events in what he calls "the sort of cars I really love".

He is never backwards in coming forwards, but after over 60 years in the sport he has earned the right to his opinions. If there is anything you would like Moss to talk about, why not let us know - you may not always like his opinions but we hope it will get you talking.

http://www.stirlingmoss.com/

http://en.espnf1.com...story/4802.html

Oh, and Abu Dhabi steals the finale from Brazil.

Abu Dhabi handed final race of 2010 by FIA

The Abu Dhabi Grand Prix will now be the 2010 season finale after the FIA's World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) agreed to the race organiser's request for a change to the calendar.

The Brazilian Grand Prix was originally listed as the final round of the season with Abu Dhabi as the penultimate race. However, the WMSC has agreed to a request from the circuit's CEO Richard Cregan to give the prestigious slot to the grand prix in the Middle-East. At the motorsport business forum in Monaco Cregan said the change would make a big difference for the event by helping to attract spectators from overseas.

Amid speculation that the Korean International Circuit might not be ready for the inaugural South Korean Grand Prix in 2010, the event has remained on the calendar but its position is subject to homologation.

The WMSC also gave details about changes to the stewards officiating at a grand prix. Previously the stewards changed from race to race, a set up that was criticised for producing controversial and inconsistent rulings. The WMSC statement said stewards will now be made up of a permanent panel of three, working alongside experienced F1 drivers to make rulings at each event.

The WMSC also ratified the change to the scoring system in 2010, put forward by the F1 Commission.

http://en.espnf1.com...story/4893.html

[vietlol]

Stirling Moss basically calling everyone out for being bitches.



http://en.espnf1.com...story/4802.html

Oh, and Abu Dhabi steals the finale from Brazil.



http://en.espnf1.com...story/4893.html

Wonder how excited he was when half his friends died of 'excitement'.


The Abu Dhabi thing is I saw that they were petitioning for it but I thought common sense would prevail.

[vietlol]

Lotus to announce both drivers on Monday

http://twitter.com/tonyfernandes

[Nacho]

Wonder how excited he was when half his friends died of 'excitement'.

"Unfortunately, we lost three or four really good drivers every year - that was the downside of our sport - but you had to have confidence in your own ability.

The Abu Dhabi thing is I saw that they were petitioning for it but I thought common sense would prevail.

This is F1. There is no common sense.

[MrHahn]

Lotus to announce both drivers on Monday

http://twitter.com/tonyfernandes

If one is JV, I'll kill myself