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#751 Robert

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Posted 27 May 2009 - 04:14 PM

I'd normally back Williams, they are a tradition in F1...
but if you're all "oh we're united, we're standing together" then turn around and be all "we do what we gotta do"... fuck'em... if you're not going to be united, don't be in the meetings and don't pretend you're trying to work together for something...

I understand that if Williams isn't in F1, there is no Williams, but way to stick together... why not give Max and Bernie a reach around while you're at it... you'll go with all their whims anyways...

fuckers...

The only leverage the teams really have/had is if they are/were a united front. Williams is probably just the first to crumble and now the others will start caving. MadMax must be fisting himself with joy.













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Posted 27 May 2009 - 08:07 PM

If this 40 million pound cap goes ahead and all shitty teams enter F1 - I hope Williams is still middle-field, and Nakajima quits because he cant stand racing in a team shitter than he is

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Posted 27 May 2009 - 08:40 PM

na I think he'll start collecting hair samples door to door before we need to put him on suicide watch.

:o

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 03:16 AM

Williams unlikely to use KERS regularly

By Edd Straw and Jonathan Noble Wednesday, May 27th 2009, 09:36 GMT

Williams is unlikely to run with KERS regularly this season because of concerns about the weight of its in-house system.

The team had originally targeted next week's Turkish Grand Prix for its KERS debut. But despite making good progress with developing its flywheel system, director of engineering Patrick Head has admitted that it will be difficult to integrate it into the Williams FW31 without having a negative impact on its handling.

Head admitted that the nature of a flywheel system means that it is significantly heavier than the battery systems used by the rest of the field. At 35kg, its in-house KERS is understood to be around 10kg heavier than the McLaren-Mercedes system.

Although this means that the team will struggle to gain any performance benefit out of the system at most tracks, it could still give it a run later in the season at a low-speed track, where the need to get the weight distribution as far forward as possible is less critical. This raises the possibility of Williams racing its KERS system at, for example, Singapore.

"The fundamental problem is, and this was raised early on, that even though our system has got a lot of capacity, it weights 35kg," said Head. "We can't get the optimum weight distribution if we're running the system.

"We're keeping working on our KERS. I'm not saying we won't run it this year but it will be difficult to run it on the car and have the car set in its optimum performance window.

"But if you go to a slower speed track, your optimum weight distribution moves rearwards anyway."

Head believes that the flywheel KERS system will offer a bigger advantage next year, when the imperative for a forward weight distribution is eased by the introduction of a narrower front tyre. However, it is not yet clear whether teams will be able to use their own systems, or the mooted common KERS unit.

He also added that he was happy with the progress the team has made on its KERS system along with its in-house company Williams Hybrid Power.

"KERS is certainly still under development," said Head. "We've developed our own motor and they are amazing things. Quite small - about the size of a part-used lavatory roll and it puts out 80bhp. That's been running on our rig back in the factory both absorbing and feeding back in power.

"The inverter is all done and that's running well. The flywheel has been running on the rig and we had a few development problems associated with mounting a flywheel within a car, but we've solved them now."


Why was everyone talking about how much lighter this flywheel-based KERS system is compared to the battery system?

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 04:01 AM

Why was everyone talking about how much lighter this flywheel-based KERS system is compared to the battery system?


better question is why we're almost 1/2 into the season and they're just thinking about using it now, they'll use it what 3 or 4 races in the rest of the season just to scrape it for next season...

no sense...

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 04:19 AM

seriously fuck williams :hs:

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 08:00 AM

Why was everyone talking about how much lighter this flywheel-based KERS system is compared to the battery system?

I thought it would be. :hs:

Keep in mind that McMerc's system is widely regarded as the best on the grid, being significantly lighter than the BMW or Renault systems.

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 08:02 AM

better question is why we're almost 1/2 into the season and they're just thinking about using it now, they'll use it what 3 or 4 races in the rest of the season just to scrape it for next season...

no sense...


If they win the contract, their system will be the one that everyone has to use.

Additionally, FlyBrid and Williams were both planning on marketing their KERS beyond just F1.

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 10:48 AM

A (I think) hilariously accurate realization of the Monaco GP by Chris Harris - one pom who doesn't mind putting it out there.

Had General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Mechett been describing the Monaco GrandPrix, he would have had it down to a tee: 'The crowning turd in the water pipe.'

Sadly he was expressing his thoughts on Lt. George’s drag-act at the Army variety stage show, but to anyone who shares my apathy towards Monte Carlo’s round of the Formula One championship, no finer description could be crafted from the English language. The crowning turd. Until Sunday, I hadn’t missed a single lap of the 2009 season – even lavatory excursions were covered by the live pause function - but after another coruscatingly boring ten laps of Monaco dreariness I left to go an strim some of my wife’s plants.

'The jewel in the crown of F1' is how the racing fraternity describes this event, but anyone with any knowledge of the sport knows that it is nothing of the sort. Unless it rains, or there’s a huge shunt, Monaco is pants.

Okay, it’s not quite as clear-cut as that because Monaco does appeal to the two extremes of F1 viewer. As a technical driving challenge, for those who absorb rear-wing angles and agonise over the minutiae of barge-boards, there is nothing like Monaco. If Jenson’s qualifying lap was straight from the top-drawer, his first stint was staggering because, once and for all, it gave everyone who hadn’t yet bought into the Button 'smoothness' concept visual proof of his particular genius. He lapped at the same pace as Rubens and didn’t toast his tyres. That’s great pedalling. But you have to really love your F1 to find prolonged entertainment in such details.

At the other end of the spectrum, to the casual observer, Monaco is of course the embodiment of F1 glamour; a grid stocked-full of celebs and a harbour teeming with Russian hookers. I can see why that appeals to some people, well, low-quality people anyway.

But to the honest F1 fan, Sunday was crap. No overtaking, the odd shunt-ette and the occasional droplet of strategic drama. However hard Brundle et al might bang-on about the technical challenge facing the drivers (which is absolutely fair enough) and however many times we hear Nige tell us that he was close to collapsing in ’92, it just doesn’t make an especially engrossing television spectacle.

Subjectively, I’m mentally prepared for Monaco these days – whereas I’d normally make arrangements for a clear two hours of uninterrupted couch-slobbery, for the Principality I’m happy to unlock the cupboard that contains the children by the time the cars reach Casino on the first lap, because you can pretty much guarantee that it’s all over.

Yes, I know last year Sutil was amusing and, a few years back, the sight of Montoya and Schuey emerging from the tunnel with large areas of their cars missing was quite memorable. But when motor racing is reduced to only offering decent entertainment through freak accidents, you know it’s not delivering as it should.

Give us proper circuits and proper overtaking.



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Posted 28 May 2009 - 12:20 PM

A (I think) hilariously accurate realization of the Monaco GP by Chris Harris - one pom who doesn't mind putting it out there.


*snip*

Very well said.

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 02:12 PM

A (I think) hilariously accurate realization of the Monaco GP by Chris Harris - one pom who doesn't mind putting it out there.


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Posted 28 May 2009 - 03:16 PM

The Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) has agreed to propose a system of technical partnerships for new teams to assist them in joining the grid in 2010, following a meeting between the team principals in London yesterday, AUTOSPORT has learned.

As the teams close in on an agreement with the FIA over the future regulations of F1 ahead of tomorrow's 2010 entry deadline, FOTA hopes this compromise would allow prospective new teams assistance from the established operations to compete credibly in their first seasons without having to fund a significant increase beyond the set budget cap.

FOTA is pushing for a "glidepath" approach to adopting the budget cap regulations, with a two-step reduction in expenditure in 2010 and 2011.

This would see expenditure limited to €100 million in 2010, dropping to €45 for the following season.

The technical partnerships would give the new teams assistance in terms of parts, particularly non-performance differentiators, as well as some design know-how.

The FOTA proposal is believed to stop short of allowing full-blown customer cars, something that is strongly opposed by several teams, and would be structured to ensure that the newcomers compete under the budget cap in their own right in 2011.

FOTA also discussed further ways to develop the budget cap concept, with the possibility of some commonality of non-performance differentiators still on the table in a bid to repackage the imposed limit as a programme of cost containment.

Although final agreement has not been reached, it is believed that both the FIA and FOTA are confident that a resolution can be found ahead of the entry deadline.


I agree with this... 2 step budget reduction, and helping the smaller teams out with the basics without giving them a car...
I can get behind this...

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 03:48 PM

I agree with this... 2 step budget reduction, and helping the smaller teams out with the basics without giving them a car...
I can get behind this...


There's NO way the FIA doesn't agree to this; it is the FOTA agreeing to the 45mil within 2 years and on top of that helping new teams to be competitive. I still think a 45 million cap is going to hurt development in F1 but there needs to be a common ground.
NOW- does this mean that within 2 years we see turbos and adjustable boost again? :hs:

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 04:18 PM

I still think a 45 million cap is going to hurt development in F1 but there needs to be a common ground.


I still think that $45M is too low, it's better than the $40M cap originally proposed, but I think somewhere round $55M is a good area...
but hey, at least this doesn't sound as crazy (stupid) as the original plan the FIA wanted to do...

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 04:57 PM

Google set to buy F1 as well! :hs:

The famous internet brand Google could soon be seen on the painted carbon bodywork of a Formula One car.

The company's co-founder Larry Page, one of the world's richest billionaires, was a guest of McLaren title sponsor Vodafone at last weekend's Monaco Grand Prix.

Interestingly, the 36-year-old American is a friend of Sir Richard Branson, the British billionaire who has been considering ramping up his Virgin backing of the dominant Brawn team.

Page was married on Branson's own Caribbean island, and the pair have also been linked in various business ventures.

Brawn is not the only team interested in Google sponsorship, however; every major outfit on the grid is believed to have put out the feelers as to how serious Page's interest is.


The prospect of Indianapolis returning to stage a United States Grand Prix in future dwindled yet further this week.

Tony George, CEO of the famous Indianapolis Motor Speedway that hosted the Formula One race between 2000 and 2007, is on the verge of being ousted, American media reports claim.

George is credited with bringing F1 back to the US on a novel road course inside the fabled Indy 500 oval, and until recently was keen on penning a new race promotion deal with Bernie Ecclestone.

Contrary to reports, the 49-year-old survived a board meeting on Tuesday, but in a media statement it was pointed out that the venue's interests in the Indy Racing League series ‘deserves the most attention at this point’.

Some commentators had questioned the company's finances amid the global recession and George's investments in other areas, including the road course, press tower and other facilities that were built for F1.



Without a rapid solution to the teams' FIA standoff, Force India and Brawn will be the next current teams to imminently sign up for the 2010 world championship.

Some believe that the current crisis is nearly over and following a Heathrow meeting on Wednesday, the FOTA alliance apparently agreed a compromise that could be accepted by Max Mosley.

But with the Friday deadline looming for next year's entries, any further delays will result in Brawn and Force India - who like Williams see Formula One as their core and only business - also breaking ranks and lodging the 2010 paperwork.

It is understood that, when Sir Frank Williams and team CEO Adam Parr were asked to leave the meeting room on Wednesday, Force India and Brawn did not join the other FOTA members in voting to expel the Grove based team.

As reported on Wednesday, however, the FOTA alliance is unlikely to fracture further, with Mercedes' Norbert Haug and McLaren's Martin Whitmarsh receiving much of the credit for the compromise that is now likely to speed towards a handshake deal.

The deal will involve a 100m euro budget cap next year, before Mosley's €45m figure arrives in 2011.
As a sweetener for the teams, one more staff member per team - like Red Bull's highly-paid Adrian Newey - can be excluded from the cap in addition to the drivers and boss.


FIA President Mosley told La Gazzetta dello Sport this week: "I am willing to compromise, but only if small and new teams can operate with much lower budgets and are not much slower than the others."

The details of the technical compromises are still sketchy, but it is understood that component and informing sharing, and even the sanctioned use of whole customer cars in 2010, could be among them.

Mosley added: "I am very optimistic about a solution. The big and small teams have very different interests and we have to protect everyone.

"Will Ferrari enter by Friday? I think so. I am optimistic and confident. Ferrari is very important for Formula One, but Formula One is very important for Ferrari as well," he added.



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Posted 28 May 2009 - 06:57 PM

There's NO way the FIA doesn't agree to this; it is the FOTA agreeing to the 45mil within 2 years and on top of that helping new teams to be competitive. I still think a 45 million cap is going to hurt development in F1 but there needs to be a common ground.
NOW- does this mean that within 2 years we see turbos and adjustable boost again? :hs:


:o :rofl: :hs: :x:

Turbo 4 cylinders spinning 25,000+ RPM :D

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 07:46 PM

There's NO way the FIA doesn't agree to this; it is the FOTA agreeing to the 45mil within 2 years and on top of that helping new teams to be competitive. I still think a 45 million cap is going to hurt development in F1 but there needs to be a common ground.
NOW- does this mean that within 2 years we see turbos and adjustable boost again? :hs:

I do want to see this, but I think you greatly underestimate the stubbornness of the FIA.

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 07:46 PM

:o :rofl: :hs: :x:

Turbo 4 cylinders spinning 25,000+ RPM :D

:hs: yes please.

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 09:58 PM

I do want to see this, but I think you greatly underestimate the stubbornness of Max Mosley.

You have a point.

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 02:05 AM

well no reponse from FIA today... tomorrow is the team entry deadline...

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 02:22 AM

well no reponse from FIA today... tomorrow is the team entry deadline...

:hs:


Expect Force Durka and possibly Brawn to file tomorrow.

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 03:06 PM

Expect Force Durka and possibly Brawn to file tomorrow.


and everyone else... :hs:

All the current Formula 1 teams have submitted their entries to the FIA for the 2010 championship, FOTA confirmed on Friday.

The Formula One Teams' Association said, however, that their entries were conditional on a new Concorde Agreement being signed by all parties before 12th June.

"The renewal of the Concorde Agreement will provide security for the future of the sport by binding all parties in a formal relationship that will ensure stability via sound governance," said FOTA in a statement.

The teams' body also said that the entries were conditional on the regulations being based on 2009 rules, "identical for all competitors and amended in accordance with proposals that FOTA has submitted to the FIA."

"All FOTA teams' entries for the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship have been submitted today on the understanding that (a) all FOTA teams will be permitted to compete during the 2010 Formula One season on an identical regulatory basis and (b) that they may only be accepted as a whole," added the statement.

"All FOTA teams now look forward with optimism to collaborating proactively and productively with the FIA, with a view to establishing a solid foundation on which the future of a healthy and successful Formula One can be built, providing lasting stability and sound governance."

The FIA announced earlier this year the introduction of a budget cap system from the 2010 season.

Those teams adhering to the system would get greater technical freedom, something that most FOTA teams have spoken against.

At least four of the current teams have threatened to withdraw from the sport if the two-tier system came into play next year.

The window to submit entries for 2010 closes today.



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Posted 29 May 2009 - 03:48 PM

So we have 15* teams that have submitted an application for next season today...
the 10 current teams (application depending on rule changes) plus USF1, Campos, Lola, Prodrive, and Litespeed

should be interesting what happens next...

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 04:34 PM

I'm a little upset about this.

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 04:58 PM

I'm a little upset about this.

how so? the conditional entry states that there is no 2-tier system and that the FIA accepts FOTA's proposal that was announced yesterday. if the FIA don't accept the proposal then the teams aren't entered into the world championship. basically they all filed today so they don't get penalty fees for signing in late, and keep the door open to leave if the FIA decides they don't want to play ball. no harm no foul IMO.




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