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Posted 10 February 2009 - 08:35 PM

I dont' understand why teams don't want to run in the wet during testing...running in the wet would allow the driver to learn a lot about the 2009 spec-car if it rains during the season and will help better prepare the driver for the characteristics of the car in the rain and help the engineers better prepare setup as well.

But instead, they all sit inside the garage...seems like a waste to me.

might have to do with the risk of the single produced chassis being destroyed, the significantly colder weather then that of an grand prix maybe :rofl:

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 08:35 PM

I thought Webbah switched to the Schuberth again after trying out the Arai? :rofl:
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Andrian Newey is a prick when it comes to Aerodynamic drag, so he makes all the drivers wear Arai's because supposedly they have the least amount of Drag.

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 08:35 PM

I dont' understand why teams don't want to run in the wet during testing...running in the wet would allow the driver to learn a lot about the 2009 spec-car if it rains during the season and will help better prepare the driver for the characteristics of the car in the rain and help the engineers better prepare setup as well.

But instead, they all sit inside the garage...seems like a waste to me.

Probably not as good for testing the car itself as the wet pavement isn't going to give good feedback, and it's more risk to the car itself.

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 08:37 PM

I dont' understand why teams don't want to run in the wet during testing...running in the wet would allow the driver to learn a lot about the 2009 spec-car if it rains during the season and will help better prepare the driver for the characteristics of the car in the rain and help the engineers better prepare setup as well.

But instead, they all sit inside the garage...seems like a waste to me.

they should run in the wet, but at this stage when the car design is far from complete its sorta pointless because of how different the cars will behave by melbourne. right now they're just trying to optimize evolve designs for the fastest overall car, which requires dry running (no point trying to optimize at a different operating point than what you're going to use it at 95% of the time), so basically the data is sorta worthless. and with limited mileage they're allowed its important to only run when u can get useful data.


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Posted 10 February 2009 - 08:56 PM

Andrian Newey is a prick when it comes to Aerodynamic drag, so he makes all the drivers wear Arai's because supposedly they have the least amount of Drag.


I know he went from the Schuberth to the Arai after he came to Red Bull, but he switched back to the Schuberth half way thru the season last year after the British Grand Prix. Surprised to see him back in the Arai...

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You mean Piquet right? Lol

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 10:26 PM

http://www.lowesmotorspeedway.com/

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Exactly lol. The Quaker State 300 held directly after practice.

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 11:41 PM

It looks like those Bahrain times are already as fast as the Q3 times from Quali last year.

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 11:48 PM

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Bourdais is competing in LeMans w/ Peugeot too this year too :rofl: There hasn't been a current F1 racer that was doing other series as well in quite awhile. I wish him all the best!

With fellow Red Bull protégé Scott Speed back in stock cars and the USF1 initiative still at least a year away, the closest Americans have to representation in Formula One is Sebastien Bourdais. Sure, he's French, but after dominating Champ Cars for several years on this side of the Atlantic we can almost claim him as our own. Having won four successive titles in Champ Cars, Bourdais had nothing left to prove in the United States and signed a European management contract with Nicolas Todt, who pulled some family connections and signed Bourdais to drive at Le Mans with Peugeot (whose racing department was run by his father Jean Todt before he moved to Ferrari) and then in Formula One with Scuderia Toro Rosso (whose engines are supplied by Ferrari).

After a disappointing debut season, Bourdais' future in F1 remained in doubt as his overshadowing team-mate Sebastian Vettel was called up to the Red Bull team and STR refused to confirm who would drive for them this coming season, but he's now been confirmed in the game of musical Sebastians to drive alongside newcomer Buemi. Bourdais, who was actually born in Le Mans, will have a lot on his hands to prove his mettle in F1 this season, but if that weren't enough, the French driver is stepping up his activities with Peugeot as well. Not only will he be driving the new 908 HDi at his famous home race, but he'll be making the trip back over to American shores to drive at Sebring as well. We'll look forward to watching our Franco-American homeboy take 'em all on this season.



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Posted 11 February 2009 - 12:57 AM

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Bourdais is competing in LeMans w/ Peugeot too this year too :rofl: There hasn't been a current F1 racer that was doing other series as well in quite awhile. I wish him all the best!


Umm, didnt Franck Montagny do it when driving for Super Aguri?

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 01:59 AM

autosport sub needed:

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 02:40 AM

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The news, when it broke after having been whispered for over two months now, predictably resulted in derisory stories along the lines of 'a US Formula One team, will cars have column shifts and bench seats?'; 'Cart axles and leaf springs, what about girder chassis and torque converters?'

Whilst humorous in decidedly non-PC fashion, the questions proved the ignorance of some fans when it comes to matters North American.

It is, though, easy to overlook the fact that, until Graham Hill won his first title by the thickness of Jim Clark's oil seal, the United States of America had, in the recently deceased Phil Hill, as many world champions as Britain – one. This happened to be one more than France, Monaco, Switzerland and Belgium – with Britain and the US the founding hosts for races in the original FIA World Championship – had for something like 20 years. Combined.

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By which time, of course, Mario Andretti, as American as popcorn and bubblegum despite having been born in Italy, had taken his 1978 crown – making it two for the US and still a fat zero for those countries. Then Alain Prost and Michael Schumacher blitzed their respective ways to glory, but, even so, France and Germany combined to this day have but two drivers they refer to as 'world champion'; as does the USA.

Nothing wrong with US world championship pedigree then, particularly when one factors the 62 grands prix held on Unites States soil since 1959 (an average of more than one grand prix per year during the 59-year existence of the FIA Formula One World Championship, and more than Britain or Italy can boast) into the equation.

There is nothing wrong, either, with the pedigree of the partnership planning to enter the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship with a US-based team:

• Ken Anderson, the technical boffin behind the project, has an enviable record in racing car design, development and manufacture, whilst the Windshear windtunnel in which he has a shareholding, is reckoned to be one of the world's best. He has experience in suspension technology – having honed his engineering and riding skills in the rough and tumble on the world Moto-X championship, where grip is obviously paramount – and designed Indianapolis-winning cars. In addition he has more than a few F1 cars on his CV.

• Peter Windsor is a 'jack of all trades, master of many', having been at some stage in an extended F1 career journalist, broadcaster, team manager, driver manager, sponsor manager, technical co-ordinator – at times dispensing two or more functions simultaneously. Those who know him are acquainted with his long-held dream of starting an F1 team, preferably from scratch; those who know him better, know the Australian-raised Brit moved to North Carolina (NC) with his wife and beagle immediately after last year's Brazilian Grand Prix showdown...

Their chosen base could hardly be better: NC, or more specifically, Charlotte, is home to a motor racing cottage industry similar to that found in the United Kingdom. There is, though, one major difference: being US-based, everything is bigger, taller, better, higher, faster, wider – and, given the pronounced fall in the dollar over the past two years, likely cheaper.

According to Günther Steiner, who, by virtue of his experience as technical director in F1 (Jaguar Racing/Red Bull), World Rally Championship (Ford), DTM (Opel) and NASCAR (Red Bull Toyota) and now residing in NC, is qualified to comment on the area's infrastructure, its economics in comparison with Europe and the team's chances.

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"The university in Clemson is first-class and offers all the necessary facilities required to undertake aerodynamic and vehicle dynamic calculations," he told a German colleague last week. The university is an hour's drive from Charlotte, which has everything required to build an F1 car. From that perspective it makes perfect sense (to build a car there) as skilled labour and all facilities are available, yet one does not pay the inflated prices that England charges.

"Charlotte offers all the technical facilities, and it has the Wind Shear wind tunnel. I have looked at the Wind Shear tunnel and believe it to be the best in the world," he added.

Unsaid is that, with the White House recently having become NASCAR's primary sponsor, entire legions of NASCAR engineers, fabricators and other skilled technicians have been invited off teams' payrolls, and hungry workers are known to be committed and diligent workers.

The Italian is acquainted with both USF1 principals, and is convinced they have the necessary talents and abilities. "They have been working on the project for many years," he said, "and I judge the project to be serious and realistic. In no way would I describe it as a pipe-dream."

However, when push comes to shove, pedigrees and neighbouring universities and all the testimonials in the world can't make a leaden kite fly, so the question is whether a 'Made in America' team can, in fact, get its act together in these straitened times. Particularly given that the North American continent and its motor industry have been hit more than most.

More precisely, can a team based in the US design, build and campaign a F1 car in a Eurocentric world championship which is moving further east – thus away from the US – with each passing year? Above all, can it in these times attract the levels of technical, logistics and commercial support required to do so not only competently, but do its country proud on a world stage in the process?

In Formula One there are no guarantees of success – teams too numerous to list here have proven that over the years – but, managed correctly, there is little doubt that USF1 can not only fly, but fly off the grid. In fact, never have the times been better for a team, particularly one headquartered (note: not based) in the US.

Given the necessary infrastructure and skills existent in NC, the only technical question surrounds engine/transmission/KERS – and here the FIA and the Formula One Team's Association (FOTA) have agreed a total-per-season package price of €6.5m for the first two assemblies to any independent. In addition, FOTA has agreed on a standard KERS unit from 2010 onwards, and whilst the energy recovery unit is not included in the stipulated price, it surely won't set independent teams back more than 50% of the total engine/gearbox cost.
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So, no more than €3,5m for KERS, making it a maximum of €10m for sufficient units to power an entire team for a season, i.e. 18 - 20 grands prix weekends and all test sessions! It gets better, though: the US is, if not the most important market for BMW (which is known to be partial to leasing complete power units to the independents), Mercedes, Toyota and Ferrari, then certainly the second.

So for USF1 it gets even better: all but last-named have invested massively in 'transplants'in the USA, and are anxious to be perceived as committed to the country, whilst Ferrari parent FIAT is believed to be in advanced talks with Chrysler. Imagine, then, what each of those blue-chips would give to partner an all-US team, particularly in the absence of a USGP. Visions of free power units and substantial financial and technical support packages leap to mind...

Moreover, FIA president Max Mosley is moving heaven and earth to ensure all teams, regardless of size, receive around €65m per annum from the commercial rights holder, and is also pushing – probably too meek a word – for budgets to be sliced to that level. To succeed, though, Mosley intends introducing further restrictions on man-power, wind tunnels, CFD studies and testing and a budget cap. Recall those relatively low salaries in the Charlotte area?

Remember, then, that the utterly daft $48m bond is no more, meaning a start-up team can immediately commit its full funding to the project, with the demise of the Concorde Agreement enabling all teams to negotiate their own terms – as did Ferrari – and ask then what the commercial rights holder would give to provide American promoters with a cast-iron reason to stage a race on US soil.

So, to summarise: a state-of the-art wind tunnel; superb infrastructure and a first-class technical university within an hour of HQ; skilled, low-cost personnel; if not free, then cut-price power units coupled to financial and technical support packages from F1's majors; operating budgets blow income; (documented) support of the sport's governing body and probable incentives from the commercial rights holder; two highly capable principals. At this rate USF1 could go racing without needing to raise a brass bean...

All well and good, but what about the logistics of operating a racing team competing in a Eurocentric series from America? In an exclusive telecom with this column's writer two weeks before a prospective sponsor spilled the beans to a website, Anderson disclosed that he intends operating USF1's race team out of the Epsilon facility in northern Spain – and again one can't fault his logic.

For starters, the championship is increasingly being shaped by a calendar in three parts: four (eastern) flyaways; a block of nine races in Europe; a final block of four flyaways, two east, one west and one middle-eastern. The logistics for USF1, frankly, could not be simpler: design and build in the USA; move to Europe for testing; four flyaways in a row; back to Europe for seven months; final block of four flyaways; end of season.

The Epsilon Euskadi base in Bilbao, Spain
The overall costs of such an itinerary would be barely, if any, higher than the travel budgets of British-based teams; certainly when one considers that most of it pre- and post-season takes place in Spain in any event. Testing facility restrictions are expected to decrease in-season development, so the need for flying new parts from the US to Europe will decrease over time. However Anderson pointed out without a trace of irony in his voice, many F1 teams have development parts manufactured in the US!

Given Windsor's background in media and marketing it is only logical that the team has a raft of innovative and interactive marketing plans in the pipeline – here Jon Noble's excellent column sees F1 increasingly embracing the internet, with Mosley being a primary pusher of the platform.

Watch this space for further details on the team's plans; what can be disclosed, though, is that fans will be given behind-the-scenes access like never before – thus breaking down the 'wall' that the sport has over the years erected. Again the formation of USF1 is prescient: consider FOTA's current market research, the results of which will form the basis for some swingeing changes in the way F1 treats its customers.

The timing could not be better from virtually every perspective; its principals have a host of experience; and, above all, the team has the support of the sport's governing body and the commercial rights holder. As a bonus USF1 has awoken interest in F1 in the world's largest car market, and a race will surely return to those shores – helping to balance the eastward shift.

So all the building blocks are in place for the first US F1 team in over thirty years – the last to compete with distinction was Roger Penske's operation, which won the Austrian Grand Prix with John Watson; thereafter came the half-hearted Beatrice Haas effort, which many say was anything but that – to take its place on the grid in 2010.

USF1 will launch officially – via Speed TV, of late Windsor's primary platform – on 24 February.

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 02:51 AM

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thanks!

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 03:08 AM

Pretty neat.

Makes it seem much less implausible when they break it down like that.

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 03:56 AM

lolz

Formula One should do more to exploit the power of the internet, according to FIA President Max Mosley.

The sport's commercial rights holder is headed by 78-year-old Chief Executive Bernie Ecclestone, who is known for his uncertainty about the online phenomenon.

Internet-only journalists, for example, are not granted media accreditation, and fans often observe that the official F1 website does not embrace the full power of the internet.

"Bernie is sceptical about the internet, there is no doubt about it," Mosley, 68, is quoted as saying in the German press.

"But if we could overcome that there are great things that could be done because the potential is enormous," Mosley said.

"I would revolutionise the way we use the internet; it is the great neglected area of F1," he said.

Mosley raises the prospect of providing full fan access to pitwall computer information, and multi-channel online coverage with live video of the paddock, the public areas of the motor homes, and the pit garages.

"It would put the audience right in the middle of the action," he said.



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Posted 11 February 2009 - 05:19 AM

lolz

The first thing should be nudes of his daughters. :rofl:

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 04:40 PM

In addition, FOTA has agreed on a standard KERS unit from 2010 onwards


wait... huh?
anyone got more details on this?

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 05:10 PM

wait... huh?
anyone got more details on this?

you didn't know this was already being discussed? this is why everybody except bmw was for not introducing KERS in '09.. whats the point of spending millions on developing some system that will only be used for 1 full season (if the teams can have it ready by melbourne)?


don't get me wrong, i love BMW cars and have loads of respect for their motorsports programs but having a non-standardized KERS system 1 year before standardization is just stupid money management IMO, especially in the current state of the economy. obviously having gotten a head start on KERS development they wanted to play their advantage card for at least 1 season.

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 05:14 PM

obviously having gotten a head start on KERS development they wanted to play their advantage card for at least 1 season.

I didn't know this either, but you can't really blame them for wanting an advantage :rofl:

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 05:16 PM

I also like how KERS was about technical innovation and potentially enhancing hybrid technology in everyday cars...oh, wait, except it's not because the FIA is standardizing it.

Fuck you max, fuck you berney.

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 05:53 PM

you didn't know this was already being discussed? this is why everybody except bmw was for not introducing KERS in '09.. whats the point of spending millions on developing some system that will only be used for 1 full season (if the teams can have it ready by melbourne)?


don't get me wrong, i love BMW cars and have loads of respect for their motorsports programs but having a non-standardized KERS system 1 year before standardization is just stupid money management IMO, especially in the current state of the economy. obviously having gotten a head start on KERS development they wanted to play their advantage card for at least 1 season.


i must've missed that memo...

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 06:06 PM

new option tire markings:

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 08:01 PM

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Williams car is a sexy beast baby

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 09:15 PM

options are pretty :rofl: too

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 09:35 PM

options are pretty :wtf: too


I'd prefer white walls. Green is just too ostentatious. Unless you're Honda :rofl::wtf:

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 04:39 AM

I'd prefer white walls. Green is just too ostentatious. Unless you're Honda :rofl::wtf:

I like the line alot more than the ENTIRE WALL being a color.




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