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[DrDickAction]

Sigh...first order of buisness for Brawn should be "we gotta bring some bad-ass back into this team. Can you believe I'm wearing these lime green capri pants?!"

Next year...I bet he lays down the fkn law after the end of this season.

[Deadpool]

Final Day of testing the track is damp so......

Times at 15:35:

1. M. Webber - 1:21.953-16 laps
2. H. Kovalainen - 1:33.127-17 laps
3. J. Button - 1:33.917-16 laps
4. R. Kubica - 1:34.873-10 laps
5. K. Raikkonen - 1:34.948-8 laps
6. J. Trulli - 1:35.004-10 laps
7. N. Piquet - 1:35.076-22 laps
8. K. Nakajima - 1:35.563-19 laps

Webbah Total domination

[Deadpool]

The cage held up well - glad it did too. Crumple zones FTW! Glad your Dad is okay broski.

Glad he's okay man.

[kngrsll]

Next year...I bet he lays down the fkn law after the end of this season.

[MrHahn]

[Alicante]

[doublemeat]

From AutoWeek.com:

Ferrari, which ran its Formula One cars without Marlboro cigarette logos in the Bahrain Grand Prix, confirmed that those logos will no longer appear on its cars.

Marlboro entered Grand Prix racing in 1972 with the BRM team and has been a presence ever since. Bahrain, Monaco and Shanghai still allow tobacco branding, but Marlboro owner Philip Morris International decided only to use its "barcode" logo--which mimics actual Marlboro logos without using the brand name--in those races.


This article was last updated on: 04/15/08, 14:23 et

[mads]

[DrDickAction]

From AutoWeek.com:

Ferrari, which ran its Formula One cars without Marlboro cigarette logos in the Bahrain Grand Prix, confirmed that those logos will no longer appear on its cars.

Marlboro entered Grand Prix racing in 1972 with the BRM team and has been a presence ever since. Bahrain, Monaco and Shanghai still allow tobacco branding, but Marlboro owner Philip Morris International decided only to use its "barcode" logo--which mimics actual Marlboro logos without using the brand name--in those races.


This article was last updated on: 04/15/08, 14:23 et

Was really looking forward to seeing the new car & livery with the real logos on it.....damn

[chiuey]

Was really looking forward to seeing the new car & livery with the real logos on it.....damn

yeah me too. Now I wonder if PM will still continue to use Marlboro as their F1 flagship sponsor??

[mads]

Jesus, the renault "redbull" fin is ugly as hell. where as it kinda works for rbr/str it looks like shit on the renault

[marone]

Jesus, the renault "redbull" fin is ugly as hell. where as it kinda works for rbr/str it looks like shit on the renault

i was reading in f1racing that Dernie and Gascoyne believe that the redbull fin wouldnt have much if any effect and that it is there as smokescreen to hide some other discovery they have made that nobody knows about.

kinda like lotus? with the super trick diff that they put on a big show about covering with blankets when removing it from the car. when they actually had ground effects and nobody noticed for ages.

got them hook, line and sinker.

[Redliner]

I'll forgive Honda for their car if they save SA

http://www.itv-f1.co...e.aspx?id=42332

Aguri needs Honda help to make Spain
Friday, 18 April 2008 10:32

Super Aguri co-owner Fumio Akita concedes the Magma Group’s decision to pull out of its takeover of the team means it may now have to bank on extra support from Honda to make the Spanish Grand Prix.
The Leafield-based squad’s immediate future was thrown into fresh doubt earlier this week when its prospective new owners backed out of its expected buyout after informing the team its investors no longer wished to fund the deal.
Its decision has forced current team boss Aguri Suzuki to chase other possible rescue deals, with Honda, which has provided engines and technical support since the squad’s creation in 2006, one possible avenue for help.
Akita admits with the team already struggling for finances and spare parts, it may not be in a position to make next weekend’s race and beyond unless Honda helps it out.
"It's possible," he told Reuters.
"We were banking on Magma's buyout but they turned it down. It feels like being jilted by a lover.
"Even if we have the money to go to Spain we might not be able to carry on after that.
“It's impossible to predict what will happen but it could now depend on Honda."
In its announcement on Wednesday that the Magma deal had collapsed, Super Aguri said that it would be making a further announcement on its future in due course.
Akita reckons there will be no solution for the team’s troubles until early next week, and it will be touch-and-go on whether it will be able to fly out to Spain
"I don't think there will be a decision until after the weekend," said Akita.
"It is likely to be Monday or Tuesday until we hear.
“It will be very, very tight."
Super Aguri only made the season-opener in Australia at the last minute following the Magma Group's initial takeover plans.
But it was already forced to skip this week's Barcelona test as the deal hadn't yet been sealed.

[_R_]

according to this mornings news, 1 of the SA transport trucks left this morning...

[_R_]

Honda on Thursday ruled out rescuing the financially embattled Super Aguri team.

After the expected backing of the Dubai-funded Magma Group fell through, team insiders on Wednesday said hopes would now turn not only to other prospective buyers, but also a bail-out by Bernie Ecclestone or Honda.
Super Aguri was founded ahead of the 2006 season with the assistance of Honda, the Japanese carmaker and formula one competitor that has supplied the team with cars, engines and technical and financial support.
Honda is believed to have scaled back its support in recent months, and Super Aguri is reportedly now just days away from closing its doors.

"We intend to continue the present structure of our support for Super Aguri," the Honda spokesman told the French news agency AFP.
He also denied reports that said Super Aguri had requested a financial rescue package in light of the failed Magma deal.

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

they (the FIA) should use some of that mclol fine money to help aguri out.. wasnt part of the fine supposed to go to aiding small teams anyways?

[tefnut]

kinda like lotus? with the super trick diff that they put on a big show about covering with blankets when removing it from the car. when they actually had ground effects and nobody noticed for ages.

That's badass

[f1manoz]

From AutoWeek.com:

Ferrari, which ran its Formula One cars without Marlboro cigarette logos in the Bahrain Grand Prix, confirmed that those logos will no longer appear on its cars.

Marlboro entered Grand Prix racing in 1972 with the BRM team and has been a presence ever since. Bahrain, Monaco and Shanghai still allow tobacco branding, but Marlboro owner Philip Morris International decided only to use its "barcode" logo--which mimics actual Marlboro logos without using the brand name--in those races.


This article was last updated on: 04/15/08, 14:23 et

Fucking faggot anti-tobacco laws.

The Lotus-Ford John Player Specials from the 1970s were

Then there was the Camel Lotus that Senna drove to two wins in 1987.

Marlboro Alfa Romeos and McLarens.

West McLaren's.

All these cars are remembered fondly but are now nothing but memories.

[DrDickAction]

they (the FIA) should use some of that mclol fine money to help aguri out.. wasnt part of the fine supposed to go to aiding small teams anyways?

I love how they're trying to freeze engine development, limit wind tunnel & track test time to help out the small teams, then when one is actually having trouble, they turn their back on them.

Yes, these teams should be independant operators and pay their own bills, but some sort of revenue sharing system would sure as shit help that out.

And how does F1 really expect to sell somebody a 12th team on the grid when the 11th team is going belly up?

[Redliner]

I love how they're trying to freeze engine development, limit wind tunnel & track test time to help out the small teams, then when one is actually having trouble, they turn their back on them.

Yes, these teams should be independant operators and pay their own bills, but some sort of revenue sharing system would sure as shit help that out.

And how does F1 really expect to sell somebody a 12th team on the grid when the 11th team is going belly up?

Well, there is a TV revenue sharing system -- the more you win, the more TV exposure you get, the more money FIA gives them. The side-effect to that is, you have to win to be seen. Otherwise your TV time isn't worth much. That's why small teams lose out the most. And so the gap just widens as the season goes on. That and the Concorde Agreement (from what I understand) is really jacked up. It's like 50% to all teams split among the teams, 50% to Bernie.

Correct me if I'm wrong fellas

The way I see some F1 teams, they're just stupidly unefficent. You could compare them to NASA or the US military. If Renault can win with a smaller(ish) budget, Ferrari, Honda, Toyota need to cut the fuck back on spending.

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

Well, there is a TV revenue sharing system -- the more you win, the more TV exposure you get, the more money FIA gives them. The side-effect to that is, you have to win to be seen. Otherwise your TV time isn't worth much. That's why small teams lose out the most. And so the gap just widens as the season goes on. That and the Concorde Agreement (from what I understand) is really jacked up. It's like 50% to all teams split among the teams, 50% to Bernie.

Correct me if I'm wrong fellas

The way I see some F1 teams, they're just stupidly unefficent. You could compare them to NASA or the US military. If Renault can win with a smaller(ish) budget, Ferrari, Honda, Toyota need to cut the fuck back on spending.

you can't compare the efficiency of cutting edge research 'entities' like that found in a formula 1 team to a regular business. sure you could call it 'wasting' money for spending hundreds of millions to make a car marginally faster, but in research there is no sure shot direction to move ahead in and you could easily spend millions moving towards a solution to find out in the end that it was a wasted effort. unfortunately that's how research works, otherwise it would just be 'know-how' and everybody would be able to do it on a lower budget.

the complexity of a modern f1 car is the reason why research costs are through the roof these days. with a simpler machine the number of design variables are much smaller and therefore development costs are cheaper. the with road cars getting more and more complex its only natural that the f1 cars have to also become more complex to stay at the forefront of automotive research and development. ideally to cut back on development costs the FIA would have to instate regulations to simplify the cars, effectively defeating the purpose of F1 being the pinnacle of motorsports.

the only way to justify the large spending is if the developed technology has a trickle down effect to road cars, which the major manufacturers have the benefit of. as much as I want to see independent teams in f1 continue and strive, it is going to come to a point where the FIA will have to choose between the entertainment value or being the 'pinnacle of motorsports', and I would have to side with R&D just because that's what got me interested with F1 over other forms of racing in the first place..

[Redliner]

you can't compare the efficiency of cutting edge research 'entities' like that found in a formula 1 team to a regular business. sure you could call it 'wasting' money for spending hundreds of millions to make a car marginally faster, but in research there is no sure shot direction to move ahead in and you could easily spend millions moving towards a solution to find out in the end that it was a wasted effort. unfortunately that's how research works, otherwise it would just be 'know-how' and everybody would be able to do it on a lower budget.

the complexity of a modern f1 car is the reason why research costs are through the roof these days. with road cars getting more and more complex its only natural that the f1 cars have to also become more complex to stay at the forefront of automotive research and development. ideally to cut back on development costs the FIA would have to instate regulations to simplify the cars, effectively defeating the purpose of F1 being the pinnacle of motorsports.

the only way to justify the large spending is if the developed technology has a trickle down effect to road cars, which the major manufacturers have the benefit of. as much as I want to see independent teams in f1 continue and strive, it is going to come to a point where the FIA will have to choose between the entertainment value or being the 'pinnacle of motorsports', and I would have to side with R&D just because that's what got me interested with F1 over other forms of racing in the first place..

Two seperate points I'd like to make...

I'd agree, except that being at the pinnacle of motorsports, means they're only developing f1 specfic technoloy these days. And by that, I mean they only spend time in the wind tunnel now. And with rules that limit the development of the car, it's pretty much a wash. F1 was the "pinnacle of motorsports" because they used to develop technology that would eventually find its way into the modern car.

That's not so true anymore -- with standerdized engine formulas, standard aero specific formulas, standard brakes. F1 has lost its ways IMO. That's why for the most part, they all look the same. Check out an old F1 car, and one can immediately, by shape, tell which car belonged to who.

F1 is fun when its both technology AND entertainment. I respect the days of yore simply b/c the cars were beast of a car with many different types of engines, all competiting side by side. I'd love to see turbo / NA in multiple engine configurations share the track again, and to limit aero development -- i'd like them to find other ways of being quick. I want to see 'real' development of technologies come to the modern car again.

I think F1 just needs to find its roots again. Make F1, F1 again. Open up the rule book and instead of tying it down by standerdizing rules for the cars, create rules that would standerize the race and encourage the development of technologies again.

As far as budget goes, can it be done under a budget? Yes...Yes I think it can be done. Toyota has tons of money and has for the last few years, not capitolized on that potential. Ferrari spends this much, and has resulted in wins. Renault, and (probably) McLaren accomplsh the same on smaller budgets. The reason I think this happes, is b/c of the infrastructure of the R&D, not the actual R&D itself. Admin costs, poor paths to engineering, etc, etc raise the budget. Not the true R&D itself...that's what needs to be made more efficent.

[DrDickAction]

Two seperate points I'd like to make...

I'd agree, except that being at the pinnacle of motorsports, means they're only developing f1 specfic technoloy these days. And by that, I mean they only spend time in the wind tunnel now. And with rules that limit the development of the car, it's pretty much a wash. F1 was the "pinnacle of motorsports" because they used to develop technology that would eventually find its way into the modern car.

That's not so true anymore -- with standerdized engine formulas, standard aero specific formulas, standard brakes. F1 has lost its ways IMO. That's why for the most part, they all look the same. Check out an old F1 car, and one can immediately, by shape, tell which car belonged to who.

F1 is fun when its both technology AND entertainment. I respect the days of yore simply b/c the cars were beast of a car with many different types of engines, all competiting side by side. I'd love to see turbo / NA in multiple engine configurations share the track again, and to limit aero development -- i'd like them to find other ways of being quick. I want to see 'real' development of technologies come to the modern car again.

I think F1 just needs to find its roots again. Make F1, F1 again. Open up the rule book and instead of tying it down by standerdizing rules for the cars, create rules that would standerize the race and encourage the development of technologies again.

As far as budget goes, can it be done under a budget? Yes...Yes I think it can be done. Toyota has tons of money and has for the last few years, not capitolized on that potential. Ferrari spends this much, and has resulted in wins. Renault, and (probably) McLaren accomplsh the same on smaller budgets. The reason I think this happes, is b/c of the infrastructure of the R&D, not the actual R&D itself. Admin costs, poor paths to engineering, etc, etc raise the budget. Not the true R&D itself...that's what needs to be made more efficent.

As much as we hate Max, that's what he was trying to do with the KERS regulations....and depending on the implementation, technology like that is super, super applicable to road cars. And I beleive he was trying to leave that path wide open for innovation...might make for a boring f1 season or 2 (a la lotus), but will hopefully push the envelope more than a mini v8 spinning at 20k+

[DrDickAction]

Anyone else wake up this morning thinking Spain was THIS weekend? So fking disappointed right now

[Redliner]

Anyone else wake up this morning thinking Spain was THIS weekend? So fking disappointed right now

Not I sir

BTW, I don't thikn we've attracted enough OT-F1 to come over...this thread has slowed down I think