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[Dr. Jimmmah!]

if you don't have the time or resources to put out engines that meet the 2010 rules, then don't put a fucking bid out saying you can...
lame...

I'm going to do the 100m sprint next olympics. But since I don't have the time to train for it, everyone else has to run it as a 3-legged race. YAY!

[DrDickAction]

I'm going to do the 100m sprint next olympics. But since I don't have the time to train for it, everyone else has to run it as a 3-legged race. YAY!

And how does Cosworth not have enough time to bring their engines to 2k9 spec? They've obviously known they were going to be back in F1 for several months now, and I can't imagine anyone will have a chassis ready for another several months...should be plenty of time to get their ducks in a row.

[Robert]

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/76266

One set of rules has rev limited 18k RPM engine that needs to last on average 3 races and the other has a 20+k RPM engine that only needs to last one race distance. How the fuck is that not a two-tier system?


Also: http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/76265

Good!

I just hope it isn't Danica or some other turd ending up with a Cosworth that Brawns everyone again next year.

[mads]

12 hours to go

[mads]

wasn't the 2006 spec cosworth engine an unreliable piece of shit?

i remember it blowing up in the williams almost every race

it made the 2005 Spec Mercedes v10 look like a ferrari engine

[DrDickAction]

wasn't the 2006 spec cosworth engine an unreliable piece of shit?

i remember it blowing up in the williams almost every race

it made the 2005 Spec Mercedes v10 look like a ferrari engine

A lot of retirment for Willimas that year...I don't really remember how many were engine or gearbox related though:
Nico Rosberg 7 Ret Ret 11 7 11 Ret 9 Ret 9 14 Ret Ret Ret Ret 11 10 Ret
Mark Webber 6 Ret Ret 6 Ret 9 Ret Ret 12 Ret Ret Ret Ret 10 10 8 Ret Ret

[mads]

too bad too, since the car was kinda decently fastâ™ 

[F1]

www.fota-crew.com?

FOTA teams to launch breakaway series

By jonathan noble Thursday, June 18th 2009, 22:43 GMT

FOTAThe Formula One Teams' Association announced on Thursday night that it is setting up a breakaway championship.

Following a four hour meeting at Renault's Enstone factory, the eight members of FOTA - Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, BMW Sauber, Toyota, Brawn, Red Bull Racing and Scuderia Toro Rosso - said they had grown frustrated with the FIA's stance against the organisation, and had no option but to create a series of their own.

"The teams cannot continue to compromise on the fundamental values of the sport and have declined to alter their original conditional entries to the 2010 World Championship," said a statement issued by FOTA after the meeting.

"These teams therefore have no alternative other than to commence the preparation for a new Championship which reflects the values of its participants and partners. This series will have transparent governance, one set of regulations, encourage more entrants and listen to the wishes of the fans, including offering lower prices for spectators worldwide, partners and other important stakeholders.

"The major drivers, stars, brands, sponsors, promoters and companies historically associated with the highest level of motorsport will all feature in this new series."

F1 teams were given until Friday evening to remove the conditions attached to the provisional entries they posted earlier this month, or risk being left off the grid in 2010.

FIA president Max Mosley wrote to the teams yesterday offering them some of the concessions that they wanted to see regarding governance of the sport, but made it clear that he was sticking to plans for the introduction of a budget cap.

In his letter, Mosley also urged the teams to sign up to the championship before sorting out the final version of the regulations and a redrafted Concorde Agreement.

In response to that letter, the teams met at Renault's Enstone headquarters on Thursday evening for lengthy talks, where they finally decided that there was no way a compromise deal could be reached with the FIA.

The teams expressed frustration that their efforts to try and improve F1 had been rebuffed by the governing body and the sport's commercial rights holder.

"Since the formation of FOTA last September the teams have worked together and sought to engage the FIA and commercial rights holder, to develop and improve the sport," said the statement.

"Unprecedented worldwide financial turmoil has inevitably placed great challenges before the F1 community. FOTA is proud that it has achieved the most substantial measures to reduce costs in the history of our sport.

"In particular the manufacturer teams have provided assistance to the independent teams, a number of which would probably not be in the sport today without the FOTA initiatives. The FOTA teams have further agreed upon a substantial voluntary cost reduction that provides a sustainable model for the future.

"Following these efforts all the teams have confirmed to the FIA and the commercial rights holder that they are willing to commit until the end of 2012.

"The FIA and the commercial rights holder have campaigned to divide FOTA.

"The wishes of the majority of the teams are ignored. Furthermore, tens of millions of dollars have been withheld from many teams by the commercial rights holder, going back as far as 2006. Despite this and the uncompromising environment, FOTA has genuinely sought compromise."

The announcement by FOTA looks certain to overshadow the British Grand Prix, which takes place at Silverstone for the final time this weekend and which Mosley is expected to attend tomorrow.

With FOTA's stance now seemingly leaving no room for a deal possible, its likely that more new teams will be added to the FIA's 2010 Formula 1 entry list.

The inclusion of Ferrari, Red Bull Racing and Scuderia Toro Rosso on that roster remains open to debate, however, with the FIA claiming that the teams committed themselves to F1 in a deal agreed several years ago.

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i did a repost

Well... I'm done with F1

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[Redliner]

Not like I'm really surprised.

[DrDickAction]

[Redliner]

Playing devils advocate here...what's wrong w/ the manufs dropping out?

They are there to sell cars, not race anyways...why do we lose interest when the manfs. drop out?

edit: this is a point my friend just brought up, and I find it interesting...

[DrDickAction]

Playing devils advocate here...what's wrong w/ the manufs dropping out?

They are there to sell cars, not race anyways...why do we lose interest when the manfs. drop out?

edit: this is a point my friend just brought up, and I find it interesting...

It's not so much that it's the manufacturers, it's that it's the majority of teams.

If the marlins quit baseball tomorrow, not that many people would care...if 80% of baseball teams left to start their own league, MLB would be fucked.

The real difference with FOTA teams being manufacturers is that they have a lot of $$$ to do something like this...Ferrari, Lotus, Brabham, and Tyrell certainly couldn't have done anything like this in the 70s.

[DrDickAction]

I honestly did not think this was going to happen.

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

Farce 1 for reals...


If there is F1 and FOTA1 on Sundays next season I'm watching FOTA1, simple as that.

[DrDickAction]

Farce 1 for reals...


If there is F1 and FOTA1 on Sundays next season I'm watching FOTA1, simple as that.

not to mention a FOTA1-crew meat at a very likely U.S. event.

I wonder if USGP can jump ship

[vietlol]

I would like to be the first to congratulate Williams for winning the 2010 Formula One World Championship!

[yonson]

FOTA-1 Fuck you Bernie, Max, et al...

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

I signed...

http://www.gopetitio...line/28560.html

[kngrsll]

wow.... epic!

[yonson]

I signed...

http://www.gopetitio...line/28560.html

signed...

[DrDickAction]

signed...

854 Mr. Norm Mowrer N/G California USA N/G Jun 18, 2009
853 N/G Chris Johnson N/G N/G USA N/G Jun 18, 2009
852 Mr Jimmy Chiu Lafayette Indiana USA N/G Jun 18, 2009

[DrDickAction]

I would like to be the first to congratulate Williams for winning the 2010 Formula One World Championship!

[Redliner]

Signed!