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[Nacho]

i see he's still up to his ways

How bad are you when you have problems getting by Piquet Jr?

[Redliner]

She has a bit of skills. Or lots of luck

[Nacho]

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She has a bit of skills. Or lots of luck

From what I heard, she just let go of the wheel on the in-car footage.

[vietlol]

junior just cant stay out of trouble

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i will say the girl has skill... there is so far a pretty face can get you...
seeing how she's won at motegi, and how well she's done at the indy 500... the girl does have car control

[Nacho]

i will say the girl has skill... there is so far a pretty face can get you...
seeing how she's won at motegi, and how well she's done at the indy 500... the girl does have car control

She won at Motegi because everyone else had to pit for fuel right at the end of the race, and somehow she didn't....

And IRL mandates that all the cars weigh the same. So at under 100 lbs, she's got 50-100 lb advantage over her larger male counterparts. When this was brought up, she cried to the media that the guys were being mean.....

Watch her at a road course like Mid Ohio and she'll finish dead last (like last year). The worst part, IMO, is that she gets SO much attention, but IIRC she's literally won ONE race in her entire career. And NEVER won a championship. They totally gloss over the actual race and championship winners to talk about her, to the point that people really do think that she wins regularly when that's hugely incorrect.

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and compared to other women in open wheeled racing how's she compare? nascar? motor bikes? rally?
i agree she gets a lot of press, but what other female has done what she's done? it's not like they can follow any other woman... so of course she's going to get a lot of coverage and get a lot of sponsorship... if she was a guy, no one would pay attention, but the fact that she's a female makes it a tad more noticeable in a male dominated sport...

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oh and for the record...

F1 testing dates
Valencia 1 to 3 February
Jerez 10 to 13 February
Jerez 17 to 20 February
Barcelona 25 to 28 February

[chiuey]

She won at Motegi because everyone else had to pit for fuel right at the end of the race, and somehow she didn't....

And IRL mandates that all the cars weigh the same. So at under 100 lbs, she's got 50-100 lb advantage over her larger male counterparts. When this was brought up, she cried to the media that the guys were being mean.....

Watch her at a road course like Mid Ohio and she'll finish dead last (like last year). The worst part, IMO, is that she gets SO much attention, but IIRC she's literally won ONE race in her entire career. And NEVER won a championship. They totally gloss over the actual race and championship winners to talk about her, to the point that people really do think that she wins regularly when that's hugely incorrect.

The whole weight thing is her advantage, coz the whole, she's lighter coz she's female thing, however true is not a valid argument. Horse jockeys weigh about the same as she does, so if a driver wants to loose 20-50lbs to gain an advantage, so be it.

BUT, as far as a race car driver goes, she average at best. There are lot of drivers around her that are more talented and gets less coverage simply because they don't have tits. She has only won ONE race, it's not like she the second coming of Jesus. I'm not going to say she has no talent, coz if she didn't she would not be racing professionally. She could probably out drive any one of us here, but amongst her peers, she's pretty average.

[1357]

She's so small that it looked like she was behind the wheel of a 18wheeler. That's probably what she felt like she was driving compared to an Indy car. I do say that she did do well in that race though. Oh, and I'd like to get a close up of her tramp stamp in person.

[Nacho]

The whole weight thing is her advantage, coz the whole, she's lighter coz she's female thing, however true is not a valid argument. Horse jockeys weigh about the same as she does, so if a driver wants to loose 20-50lbs to gain an advantage, so be it.

Most of the IRL/Cart/NASCAR guys can't just lose 20-50 lbs. Well, without sacrificing some limbs.

BUT, as far as a race car driver goes, she average at best. There are lot of drivers around her that are more talented and gets less coverage simply because they don't have tits. She has only won ONE race, it's not like she the second coming of Jesus. I'm not going to say she has no talent, coz if she didn't she would not be racing professionally. She could probably out drive any one of us here, but amongst her peers, she's pretty average.

Anyone who's been competing in motorsports against women knows that they're held to a different standard, especially if they're attractive. Hell, the SCCA even has a 'ladies' class that's separate from the 'open' class. And the time differences, even on national level, is substantial.

NO male that has her level of talent would get the level of drives that she gets. Period. And even in the spec series, you're typically going to see the 'top' teams do better. So her getting slotted into the better teams is giving her a large advantage.

[vietlol]

she is better than milka duno but compared to the male drivers she is pretty mediocre

there are a few women doing ok in the lower formulas like national f3 champs, but what tends to happen is that they arent quite good enough and end up becoming journos or something

the problem, like with most things where one gender seems to utterly dominate is I think a lack of interest from the opposite side; basically for every girl that wants to be an f1 driver there will be 100 or even 1000 boys and so on

~C'est la vie~

[Nacho]

the problem, like with most things where one gender seems to utterly dominate is I think a lack of interest from the opposite side; basically for every girl that wants to be an f1 driver there will be 100 or even 1000 boys and so on

~C'est la vie~

I still don't see a reason to hoist the mediocrity to superstar status just because she's arguably the best of the girls. It should still be earned.

And the fact that her spotlight actively takes away from the actual race winners just makes it worse, and feeds her own ego. Her temper tantrums and getting physical with other people at the track is a perfect example of her overly entitled attitude.

I really can't wait for one of the good ol boys in NASCAR to put her in the wall, hard.

[vietlol]

Petrov seat still not secure apparently, got no real sponsors and his father took out a personal loan to pay for the seat...but the loan is put on hold so who knows

http://willthef1jour...not-100-secure/

[vietlol]

I still don't see a reason to hoist the mediocrity to superstar status just because she's arguably the best of the girls. It should still be earned.

And the fact that her spotlight actively takes away from the actual race winners just makes it worse.

I really can't wait for one of the good ol boys in NASCAR to put her in the wall, hard.

Piquet nearly did

the publicity is a double-edged sword I feel, on the one hand it might encourage more women to pursue a carreer in motorsport because they see Danica and think that they too can 'succeed'

on the other hand I think it must be discouraging to see 'the best female driver' be so mediocre and be more of a novelty than actual competitor

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Hell, the SCCA even has a 'ladies' class that's separate from the 'open' class. And the time differences, even on national level, is substantial.

that's my point right there...
the fact that danica can run with the boys consistently is why she's so impressive...
like i said before, if she was a male, with her record, no one would blink, but the fact that she's female and running with the boys makes her the star she is...

[Redliner]

I agree with Nacho here. She has only gotten this far because she's moderately attractive and she's female (marketable). She wouldn't have gotten nearly as far if she was a male. As a driver, she has been unimpressive.

As for other female drivers that have been successful?

Michelle Mouton anyone?
http://en.wikipedia....Michèle_Mouton

She actually got somewhere with talent in a sport that required HUGE CAJOHNES. Now that's hot.

And in off-topic news (after reading that link above)...the Stig is Swedish!

http://en.wikipedia..../Stig_Blomqvist

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Bernie Ecclestone has admitted that he does not expect to see either Campos Meta 1 or USF1 on the starting grid for the F1 2010 curtain-raising Bahrain Grand Prix in Sakhir in just under six weeks' time – reasoning that according to the terms of the commercial rights-governing Concorde Agreement, teams are permitted to miss three races each year.

There have been doubts expressed about both Campos and USF1 for some time, with the former known to be in financial difficulty and seeking a buyer or at least a significant injection of cash, and little outward evidence of progress at the latter, despite the fact that the North Carolina-based squad was comfortably the first to express its intentions to join the fray in the top flight this season.

Now, Ecclestone has revealed that any team entered in the world championship is eligible to skip three of the season's races without penalty – and he predicted that until they have secured the funding that they need, USF1 and Campos will likely be absent from competition, for three of the four early and expensive long-haul flyaway grands prix at least. The $10m promised to the newcomers will only be paid out, the British billionaire added, once they take to the grid.

“I think we won't see Campos and I don't think we will see the Americans,” the Formula One Management (FOM) chief executive told the Sunday Express. “They are going to ask to miss three races. In the Concorde Agreement, the teams are allowed to miss three races.”

Serbian operation Stefan GP is waiting in the wings should any team fail to make the campaign altogether and an opening consequently arise, and the Zoran Stefanovic-led concern has firmly signalled its intent by announcing a test session at Portimão in Portugal's Algarve region later this month and shipping a container of equipment to Bahrain.

Stefan GP has also purchased the rights to Toyota's ready-designed TF110 chassis and the Japanese manufacturer's Cologne facilities – and intriguingly, back in November took the FIA to task by filing an official complaint against the governing body with the European Commission Competition Directorate in the wake of N.Technology's failed entry bid and failed law suit, with Stefanovic questioning the selection process and claiming that the team's 'rights for fair and equal competition' were 'violated' by the insistence upon signing an engine-supply deal with Cosworth as a condition for being accepted.

“They are going to take over Toyota completely – the team and motorhomes,” Ecclestone confirmed. “They have got the money from the government; I've spoken to the prime minister. They are ready to rock-and-roll but they've not got an entry.”

The major issue with the three-race clemency, however, is the danger of begetting a 'patchwork' grid, with different teams turning up for different races dependent upon when the finances are forthcoming and when they are not. FOM will also find itself in breach of contract with the FIA should fewer than 16 cars – or eight teams – start any grand prix.

Over the past year or so, manufacturers Honda, BMW and Toyota have all pulled the plug on their F1 participation, with Renault significantly scaling down its own involvement after selling a majority 75 per cent stake in its Enstone-based outfit to Luxembourg investment firm Genii Capital.

interesting and interseting...

[MrHahn]

interesting and interseting...

Take their money first, deal with the little details last

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[yonson]

oops

I found some good hi res images of Kimi in WRC the other day let me see if I can find them again

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2/10/10:

Pos Driver Team Time Gap
1. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m20.927s
2. Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso 1m21.031s +0.104
3. Nico Hulkenberg Williams 1m22.243s +1.316
4. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m22.895s +1.968
5. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 1m23.287s +2.860
6. Jenson Button McLaren 1m24.947s +4.020
7. Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India 1m24.968s +4.041
8. Vitaly Petrov Renault 1m25.440s +4.513
9. Mark Webber Red Bull 1m26.502s +5.575
10. Timo Glock Virgin 1m38.734s +17.807


Hopefully tomorrow is dry so we can see if a full-CFD designed car (VR-01) can be competitive against traditional (CFD + Windtunnel) designs. Adrian Newey doesn't think so.

I think CFD is a very powerful tool, there is no doubt about it, and it is another way of simulating the real environment. A wind tunnel is a simulation of the real world.

CFD is an electronic simulation of a real environment, but it still has pitfalls - not least that every single run in CFD for a given attitude of the car, or ride height, or whatever it might be, is a discreet run. Whereas in the wind tunnel, what we call a normal run, will have 20 or more data points in it.

In other words, that is equivalent to 20 runs in the CFD. That is a limitation of size really, so your CFD cluster has to be that much bigger to do that many runs. And there are some areas that CFD physically doesn't capture as well as a wind tunnel - like basic aerodynamic properties. So how well it turns out, we shall see.

It is a different route, and my personal belief is that you still need to combine the two at the moment. But maybe their car will go very well and I will have to revise my opinion.