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[Redliner]

Ferrari drivers are required to wear Schuberth...
Adrian Newy designed cars require the drivers to wear Arai

forgot where i read that...

LOL. I wrote that in the other thread about Loeb being manly below this one, maybe you read it there
BTW, it was soley MS that made Ferrari use Schuberth helmets for their cars...he used to use Bell, and Irvin used to use Bieffe. It wasn't until MS approached Schuberth I think that they started to solely use Scuberths.

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

LOL. I wrote that in the other thread about Loeb being manly below this one, maybe you read it there
BTW, it was soley MS that made Ferrari use Schuberth helmets for their cars...he used to use Bell, and Irvin used to use Bieffe. It wasn't until MS approached Schuberth I think that they started to solely use Scuberths.

it was less of schumacher making ferrari use schuberth helmets as rubens seeing it and wanting one for himself. then ralfie, then felipe and now nico, quick nick and kimi. schuberth had never made a helmet for F1 use and they designed the helmet to schumi's specifications and suggestions. schuberth's work with schumacher led to them making all the helmets for the entire ferrari pit crew too.

[Redliner]

it was less of schumacher making ferrari use schuberth helmets as rubens seeing it and wanting one for himself. then ralfie, then felipe and now nico, quick nick and kimi. schuberth had never made a helmet for F1 use and they designed the helmet to schumi's specifications and suggestions. schuberth's work with schumacher led to them making all the helmets for the entire ferrari pit crew too.

Oh gotcha. So how come Rubens is back on an Arai? I guess Honda doesn't pay him enough

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

Oh gotcha. So how come Rubens is back on an Arai? I guess Honda doesn't pay him enough

dunno.. the only thing i've ever heard about teams imposing helmet rules is adrian newey because he likes the aerodynamics of the arai better.

do vettel and sutil use schuberth?

looks like barrichello used schuberth in 2003/2004..

edit: both sutil and vettel use arai

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another shot
this thing must get nice venting...

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LOL. I wrote that in the other thread about Loeb being manly below this one, maybe you read it there

you know now that you mention it

[Redliner]

another shot
this thing must get nice venting...

I wonder how safe that helmet is with big gapping holes like that...

[F1]

I wonder how safe that helmet is with big gapping holes like that...

If a 7-time world champion billionaire trusts it while riding motoGP bikes, I'll assume it's pretty safe.

[Redliner]

If a 7-time world champion billionaire trusts it while riding motoGP bikes, I'll assume it's pretty safe.

My life is worth more than a 7-time world champion billionaire

lol -- I'm just wondering. It would seem that those big vents would be a structural integrity iffy.

[chiuey]

My life is worth more than a 7-time world champion billionaire

lol -- I'm just wondering. It would seem that those big vents would be a structural integrity iffy.

well realistically the only hard part is the outer shell, but most of the integrity of the helmets is made up of the polystyrene (or what ever material they use) inner core. It's really easy to puncture the outer shell by itself. I don't think the vents create any less structural strength than full face helmets. F1 crew engineers back me up here? Kero? Shi?

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

well realistically the only hard part is the outer shell, but most of the integrity of the helmets is made up of the polystyrene (or what ever material they use) inner core. It's really easy to puncture the outer shell by itself. I don't think the vents create any less structural strength than full face helmets. F1 crew engineers back me up here? Kero? Shi?

structural integrity is comprised of the outer shell. the reason why there is the polystyrene or foam is there is for the helmet to fit your head and be able to deform a bit before it (the hemlet) enters your noggin in the event of a crash.

basically it goes in general: shell (absorbs/deflects most of the impact load) -> liner (absorbs remaining impact load) -> padding (for comfort and fit) -> your head.

the vents are at the front, if you're going to be smashed in the face its more likely that the visor will give before any other part of the helmet in the front.. now of course if you're taking a javelin to the face then you're SOL in the first place. that being said, it wouldn't be very difficult to add a few more layers of CF to reinforce the structure near the opening to make it just as strong as if it was thinner and without the big vents since most of the space is occupied by the foam anyways.

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As well as honing special high-downforce bodywork packages, some teams are reportedly considering how to avoid Max Mosley when the embattled FIA president, in Monaco later this month, makes his first appearance since the sex scandal broke.

Britain's The Times newspaper - albeit in the same News International media stable as the now notorious News of the World tabloid - claims that team bosses do not want to be seen or photographed with Mosley, 68, at F1's marquee event on May 23-25.

"The same concerns are afflicting senior corporate executives representing companies sponsoring Formula One teams," the newspaper added.

The Times said at least one unnamed Team Principal is considering "an informal scouting system" to warn its prominent managers of Mosley's presence, while another team source said "almost all (...

) teams (are) making preparations to avoid" the scandal-ridden chief in Monaco.

"Furtive conversations" on the issue of how to avoid Mosley took place on the verge of last weekend's Turkish Grand Prix, the same source added.

FIA Director of Communications - and clear Mosley ally - Richard Woods, however, confirmed in Istanbul that Mosley is determined to attend Monaco, where he has a home.

no one wants to be near the mosley

[Redliner]

no one wants to be near the mosley

He's like that uncle at holidays that everyone avoids and when the uncle talks to you everyone's like

[kngrsll]

so how is the guy supposed to fill the role of FIA president when the teams do not want to even talk to him... he is out...

[draobpi]

McLaren's (Hidden) Chasis Fin
McLaren in 2008 features a triangular fin on the chassis ( the bargeboards hide the fin ) .

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McLaren have confirmed that Lewis Hamilton's management team are in discussions with sports clothing company Reebok about a personal sponsorship deal.

Brand Republic reported this morning that Reebok is close to agreeing to a deal that will see Hamilton become one of their ambassadors - alongside other sports stars including Thierry Henry and Andrei Shevchenko.

Although McLaren have traditionally shied away from allowing their drivers to have their own private sponsorship deals, the team have said that they been fully informed of the Reebok discussions and have no issues about the possible partnership.

A team spokesperson told autosport.com: "We can confirm that Lewis Hamilton's father and manager Anthony has been in discussions with Reebok with regard to a personal sponsorship for Lewis.

"Vodafone McLaren Mercedes has been in close contact with both Lewis and Anthony throughout these discussions.

"As a result, any marketing activity undertaken by Lewis on behalf of Reebok will be fully consistent with his existing obligations to the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team, and will be run in full co-operation with Lewis's primary marketing commitments to the Team and its Partners."

2 things...
first, it's rumored to be worth $20M
second, Kovy better be allowed to do stuff like this too, i mean between the personal sponsorship and the chance of getting the McLaren F1 LM, i don't really see driver equality from a team that boasts so much about it...

[DrDickAction]

2 things...
first, it's rumored to be worth $20M
second, Kovy better be allowed to do stuff like this too, i mean between the personal sponsorship and the chance of getting the McLaren F1 LM, i don't really see driver equality from a team that boasts so much about it...

maybe emo was right!

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The Williams team have joined rivals Red Bull and Renault in trying a form of "shark-fin" engine cover during testing on Wednesday.

German Nico Rosberg tested the revised engine cover for the first time this morning at the Paul Ricard circuit, where all ten teams are testing this week.

The new cover, first introduced by Red Bull and then by Renault, is designed to improve airflow to the rear wing.

The Honda team have also introduced a visible update to their car, trying out a new version of the winglets mounted on their front wing.

BMW and Toyota were also testing new aero components.

All teams will be working on their preparations for the Monaco Grand Prix today and tomorrow, switching their focus to work aimed at the Canadian Grand Prix on Friday.

another team with the longer engine cover

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With a three-day test ahead of the vastly different Monaco and Montreal Grands Prix, the Paul Ricard test track is uniquely able to provide layouts to match both circuits.

As Ricard is a dedicated test track, its layout can be revised for both a slower, twistier version and a faster, straighter format to provide the contrasting demands of the next races.

On the opening day of the test the teams are using the tighter Monaco track configuration. Therefore, teams are running their high downforce set-ups in preparation for the next race.

Williams have brought a Red Bull-like 'shark-fin' to the test, already copied by Renault for the Spanish GP.

Clearly in the intervening three weeks since Barcelona the parts have been designed, tested and put onto the Williams.

Admittedly, the Williams solution is sleeker than Red Bull's and incorporates a small winglet in its rear most tip.

The shark-fin is mainly used to control the rear of the car sliding, but designed not to mask the rear wing when the tail does eventually slide or in cross winds. The development may not be vital at Monaco, but will be more useful in Montreal.

Meanwhile, Toyota have brought a radical new rear wing to the test.

Just as BMW Sauber have done with their front wing, Toyota have slotted in the forward element of the rear wing. This allows the wing to be steeper without stalling, thus creating more downforce.

However, the front wing is allowed to have multiple elements, while the rear wing is limited to just two - the presence of the slot could be construed as outside the "two closed sections," as demanded by the rules.

Should it race at Monaco, the rear wing will certainly attract the attention of the other teams and scrutineers. Toyota have added extra fins to the pod wings on the shoulders of the sidepods to create yet more downforce, as have Williams.

Continuing the high downforce theme Honda have developed endplates for the "dumbo wings" and also added small winglets to the inside edges of the front wing.

The latter addition is a small gain, compared to adding a bridge wing which has been the standard approach this year, something Honda have yet to develop.

[Robert]

another team with the longer engine cover

NNNNOOOOoooooo not Williams! That car was beautiful.

[Robert]

Continuing the high downforce theme Honda have developed endplates for the "dumbo wings" and also added small winglets to the inside edges of the front wing.

[Robert]

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[Redliner]

These cars are becoming uglier and uglier. I cant wait for next season's aero developments (or lack of appendages)

[draobpi]

These cars are becoming uglier and uglier. I cant wait for next season's aero developments (or lack of appendages)

[kngrsll]