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[chiuey]

All of the examples you listed were because of potential but also because there werent better options available. For example Kimi to Macca from Sauber well the rumour was that Heidfeld would get that seat so they didnt have Schumi lined up or anything. Kova to Mclaren? Because Alonso left. Lewis to Mclaren? Long term Mclaren, just won GP2, who else would you put in there? PDLR?

What Im saying is given the choice between Rosberg and Kimi any team would pick Kimi.

That's a fair assessment, but doesn't Norbet Haug have like the biggest man crush on Rosberg?

I just think there are way too many external forces working against Kimi going back to McLaren. McLaren wants to be MB's primary partners, and currently there is a clause in the contract that McLaren has a say in MB's activities in F1. I think McLaren wants Kimi back, but Haug wants Rosberg. Hence the rumours of Rosberg moving to Brawn and MB buying into Brawn while McLaren favors Kimi over Rosberg, with resistence from MB.

In the end someone will have to give in. However, should no solutions be made, we could see Rosberg and Heikki staying put. But more than likely, McLaren will give in and we see Rosberg to McLaren.

So my point is, would Kimi really be worth the trouble for McLaren? Would they be prepared to loose the strong ties they have with MB?

[vietlol]

I know Haug said he was interested in Rosberg but I dont know if its to the point that he would sever ties with Mclaren over it. This is all assuming Kimi leaves Ferrari as well which isnt a certainty.

[Nacho]

Pretty sure Mclaren would rather have a proven winner than a hyped might-be that is Rosberg. Also if that doesnt work out I can guarantee you that Brawn would make room for him. Remember Fry offering Alonso an open cheque? same thing would happen with Kimi.

Not many places still have the budget for an open cheque.

[vietlol]

Not many places still have the budget for an open cheque.

Renault certainly isn't one of them

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I think MB/McLaren just want a german in their car, and Nico is the closest thing they can get that is competitive... Quick Nick isn't quick at all...

[DrDickAction]

I think MB/McLaren just want a german in their car, and Nico is the closest thing they can get that is competitive... Quick Nick isn't quick at all...

Quicker than the much heralded Kubi for 8/13 races this year...including a podium:

Flag of Poland Robert Kubica 15 Ret 13 18 11 Ret 7 13 14 13 8 4 Ret
Flag of Germany Nick Heidfeld 10 2‡ 12 19 7 11 11 15 10 11 11 5 7

Even if you throw out retirements, they're even.

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Quicker than the much heralded Kubi for 8/13 races this year...including a podium:

and the race win to race start ratio is

[DrDickAction]

and the race win to race start ratio is

I have no illusions about Nick being WDC material.

I do however like the guy, and feel that much like certain drivers(Kubi or Rosberg) might have a reputation above their skill level, Nick's reputation is worse than his actual ability.

[Nacho]

Quicker than the much heralded Kubi for 8/13 races this year...including a podium:

Flag of Poland Robert Kubica 15 Ret 13 18 11 Ret 7 13 14 13 8 4 Ret
Flag of Germany Nick Heidfeld 10 2‡ 12 19 7 11 11 15 10 11 11 5 7

Even if you throw out retirements, they're even.

I really don't get the Bobert sakriding...

[vietlol]

and the race win to race start ratio is

The pullover to let your teammate win or we wont extend your contract ratio is

[MrHahn]

I have no illusions about Nick being WDC material.

I do however like the guy, and feel that much like certain drivers(Kubi or Rosberg) might have a reputation above their skill level, Nick's reputation is worse than his actual ability.

Kubica being a dirty faggot doesn't help

(no disrespect to homos)

[Robert]

Kubica is the faster driver, it really hasn't even been close. Slow Nick sucking and so taking 1 stop strategies vs Kubicas 2 stop let him "endure" into some points and finishes. Weather being a huge part of that.

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Former Formula 1 World Champion Kimi Raikkonen 'has signed an outline agreement' to return to McLaren-Mercedes in 2010, sources have revealed – in a move that would free up a place at Ferrari for Fernando Alonso, and likely see Nico Rosberg jump ship from Williams to current world championship leaders Brawn GP.

According to British newspaper the Daily Mirror, Raikkonen – who Ferrari are desperately trying to buy out of his €25 million contract for next season – has in principle agreed to rejoin his erstwhile Woking employers, with whom he competed in the top flight from 2002 to 2006, securing half of his 18 grand prix triumphs to-date with the multiple world championship-winning British outfit.

Though that relationship did not end on the best of terms – with the Finn's well-documented party-loving lifestyle not going down too well in the very clinical and regimented McLaren atmosphere – it seems both sides could now be willing to give things another go.

The one sticking point, it is understood, is Ferrari's continuing reluctance to pay Raikkonen his full 2010 retainer, with the 29-year-old similarly refusing to budge until he has received the money in its entirety.

Should a deal indeed go through, however, it would spell the end of Rosberg's on-off flirtation with a future in silver, and possibly pave the way for the highly-rated young German to join Brawn in place of Rubens Barrichello.

It is believed that Mercedes-Benz has been pushing hard for McLaren to snap up the services of the son of 1982 F1 World Champion Keke Rosberg for next year – to replace the underperforming Heikki Kovalainen – but with rumours suggesting that the Stuttgart manufacturer may now be edging more towards a buy-out or at least partial buy-out of Brawn rather than extending its 15-year partnership with the Silver Arrows, the pieces of the complicated driver jigsaw could finally be beginning to fall into place.

[kngrsll]

interesting

[yonson]

:bowthefuckdown: x 11ty bazzillion to the infinity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111one

[Redliner]

Kimi is not going back to McLaren. That is a helluva weapon to give back to one of your main rivals...

[kngrsll]

Rossi wins second IFM race at Imola

Alexander Rossi won the final International Formula Master race of the season at Imola on Sunday.

The 17-year-old American moved up to second place on the first lap when reverse grid pole sitter Simon Trummer spun out of the lead at Turn 2.

Rossi then chased down new leader Erik Janis and heaped pressure on his Czech team-mate for several laps. He eventually made a move for the lead stick at Tamburello and pulled away. Rossi had to push right to the end though, as Josef Kral also made his way past Janis and closed briefly before the end.

"I was racing my team-mate today and you have to be a bit more careful in those cases but I kept pushing harder and harder, and eventually the opportunity was there and I took it," said Rossi.

"Once I was through, it wasn't long before Josef moved to second and I could see he was fast so I kept pushing until the chequered flag."

Sergei Afanasiev also leapt on the opportunity to pass Janis and moved up to third place, with Patrick Reiterer and Pal Varhaug completing the top six behind Janis.

Champion Fabio Leimer's inability to convert his dominant pace into results in the reverse grid Sunday races continued when he struck a kerb too hard early on and had to pit for repairs. He rejoined the race but could only finish 11th.

we may just have an america F1 guy coming up!

[yonson]

Kimi is not going back to McLaren. That is a helluva weapon to give back to one of your main rivals...

I hope he does and kicks everyones ass 1 last time then retires...

[vietlol]

Kubica is the faster driver, it really hasn't even been close. Slow Nick sucking and so taking 1 stop strategies vs Kubicas 2 stop let him "endure" into some points and finishes. Weather being a huge part of that.

[DrDickAction]

Kubica is the faster driver, it really hasn't even been close. Slow Nick sucking and so taking 1 stop strategies vs Kubicas 2 stop let him "endure" into some points and finishes. Weather being a huge part of that.

Ahhh, yeah, you're right. Scoring extra points through savviness and strategy doesn't count.

[Nacho]

Kimi is not going back to McLaren. That is a helluva weapon to give back to one of your main rivals...

Inconsistent weapon...

[Robert]

Ahhh, yeah, you're right. Scoring extra points through savviness and strategy doesn't count.

He was consistently slower than Kubica so the team fuel him heavy. Not saying he's a scrub but he's generally not as quick as Kubica.

[Robert]

[MrHahn]

FIA agrees to engine re-equalisation

By Jonathan Noble Monday, September 21st 2009, 13:56 GMT

The FIA has agreed to allow a re-equalisation of engines in Formula 1 next year if teams believe it is necessary, but has said moves will only be done so by pegging back the best power units.

Last year, Renault was allowed to re-tune its engine to help bring its performance up to the level of its rivals - with some manufacturers having benefited from minor tweaking during the engine freeze.

Calls for a further parity re-emerged after the Italian Grand Prix, when many teams believed that Mercedes-Benz had opened up a clear advantage at the front of the field.

Red Bull Racing team principal Christian Horner told AUTOSPORT at Monza: "I think it is something that perhaps needs to be carefully looked at.

"The FIA has all the information they can see where the differences are on, I don't think it is a coincidence that you have three Mercedes-powered teams that dominated six out of the top seven places in qualifying and looked dominant again here in the race today.

"So, the FIA I am sure, they have all that information to hand, but it is always the danger of a freeze that you can freeze in a competitive advantage."

Teams are set to discuss the matter soon and the FIA has made it clear that it will allow changes to be made if there is agreement from the outfits. But parity will not be brought about by bringing the worst power units up to the level of the best.

In a statement issued after the FIA World Motor Sport Council hearing on Monday, the governing body said: "Following suggestions that there is a differential between the performance of engines used in Formula 1, the World Motor Sport Council has decided that should this be the case, and should the teams wish to eliminate this performance differential, they may be allowed to do so by reducing the performance of the more powerful engines. However, no engine upgrades will be allowed."

Should this scenario happen, it could result in Mercedes-Benz being forced to make changes to its engine to bring its performance back down to the level of its rivals - although achieving this will be far from straightforward.

F1: the pinnacle of motorsport. Openly going backwards!

[yonson]

F1: the pinnacle of motorsport. Openly going backwards!