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[_R_]

that's bullshit. they punish Force India for rear ending someone and then when Force India is rear ended, no action is taken. it's bad enough the FIA are biased, but the fact they're biased against the weakest team on the grid makes it unacceptable.

i don't believe kimi deserves a penalty for it but if they're going to penalize fisi, then they should atleast be consistent.

hell I'm a kimi and ferrari fan and I agree with this...
Kimi lost control and took someone out... 5 place grid penalty is fine on my end...

[_R_]

Renault is still backing Nelson Piquet to up his game, but paddock rumblings suggest that the French team's patience will not last forever.

Indeed, it was rumoured at the scene of the Monaco Grand Prix that team boss Flavio Briatore is giving the struggling 22-year-old Brazilian only until Silverstone in July - three more races - to take a substantial step closer to the pace and performance of lead driver Fernando Alonso.

Moreover, the Swiss publication Motorsport Aktuell reports that Alonso's scheduled running at the test following the Canadian Grand Prix has been scrapped so that Piquet, whose father won three world championships, can be in the car on all three days.

The loudest related rumour of all at Monaco, however, was that Briatore considers Super Aguri's laid-off race lineup of Anthony Davidson and Takuma Sato as genuine candidates for Piquet's seat if he cannot improve in the near future.

Briatore half-backed Piquet's unimpressive first outing at Monaco as a Grand Prix driver.

"Nelson's race was disappointing, but Monaco remains a difficult test for a driver and it is a very unusual circuit," he said.

[Shi]

that's actually a misquote (flava flav didn't use "test"), but not surprising

[MrHahn]

that's bullshit. they punish Force India for rear ending someone and then when Force India is rear ended, no action is taken. it's bad enough the FIA are biased, but the fact they're biased against the weakest team on the grid makes it unacceptable.

i don't believe kimi deserves a penalty for it but if they're going to penalize fisi, then they should atleast be consistent.

http://en.f1-live.co...525205209.shtml

I think that's the reasoning - Force India would be penalised if Ferrari were penalised. Im guessing they both came to the conclusion that neither wanted to be penalised. Kimi's actions were awful - but passing 3 cars under yellow cant be unnoticed.

[DrDickAction]

that's actually a misquote (flava flav didn't use "test"), but not surprising

i bet he gets 2 more races... a shunt in a wet Monte Carlo shouldn't be the last straw for anyone.

http://en.f1-live.co...525205209.shtml

I think that's the reasoning - Force India would be penalised if Ferrari were penalised. Im guessing they both came to the conclusion that neither wanted to be penalised. Kimi's actions were awful - but passing 3 cars under yellow cant be unnoticed.

Any other driver I would've thought it was intentional....somebody with too much pride to place behind a force india....but I just don't think kimi cares that much and just made a stupid mistake. Feel REALLy basd for sutil...hopefully this race gives him a crack at a better drive next year....maybe a renault?

[Robert]

WTF man it's not that Raikkonen shouldn't be punished it's that they shouldn't punish drivers for unintentional mistakes. Castrate the sport by punishing drivers for taking chances. What next, no driving within 50 meters of another car?
If a guy drives into another with reckless abandon that's one thing but consider actions like Alonso into Heidfeld for example. Over enthusiastic? Yeah...a bit but where the fuck are you supposed to pass at Monaco?? I'm just saying I would rather see aggressive driving than pit passes. When a driver like Raikkonen pushes it and loses the car, and yes takes out Sutil unfortunately I think the punishment of looking foolish and rookie not to mention the DNF and dropping out of the WDC is a punishment.
DC has been a bag of fail lately and though it hasn't all been his fault it still hurts his rep and probably his seat - if he still wanted it for 09.
I just don't get the lynch mob thing over an accident.

[_R_]

WTF man it's not that Raikkonen shouldn't be punished it's that they shouldn't punish drivers for unintentional mistakes. Castrate the sport by punishing drivers for taking chances. What next, no driving within 50 meters of another car?
If a guy drives into another with reckless abandon that's one thing but consider actions like Alonso into Heidfeld for example. Over enthusiastic? Yeah...a bit but where the fuck are you supposed to pass at Monaco?? I'm just saying I would rather see aggressive driving than pit passes. When a driver like Raikkonen pushes it and loses the car, and yes takes out Sutil unfortunately I think the punishment of looking foolish and rookie not to mention the DNF and dropping out of the WDC is a punishment.
DC has been a bag of fail lately and though it hasn't all been his fault it still hurts his rep and probably his seat - if he still wanted it for 09.
I just don't get the lynch mob thing over an accident.

don't forget that passing should be outlawed as well according to some commentators...
if you're going to pass, make sure you're really far from the car, none of this drafting and into corners stuff... big no no...

[draobpi]

I agree that Kimi had probably one of the worst races in his life, but seems that his dry setup car didnt play into his hands in this race gamble.

I for one am still puzzled as to how Ferrari managed to mess up getting the tyres on time on his car before the start.......its almost like Japan last year all over again.

Ferrari needs to get their act together and not look like a backmarker team in even the simplest preparations. that drive through put Kimi behind Sutil, sure he had other mistakes, but never know........one event change can alter everything.

Also, Ferrari's overall stratergy for the team failed.

[MrHahn]

don't forget that passing should be outlawed as well according to some commentators...
if you're going to pass, make sure you're really far from the car, none of this drafting and into corners stuff... big no no...

PITLANE PASSING WOO WOOOO!!

I for one am still puzzled as to how Ferrari managed to mess up getting the tyres on time on his car before the start.......its almost like Japan last year all over again.

I'm pretty sure the FIA admitted that Ferrari recieved that email after the race started

[f1manoz]

WTF man it's not that Raikkonen shouldn't be punished it's that they shouldn't punish drivers for unintentional mistakes. Castrate the sport by punishing drivers for taking chances. What next, no driving within 50 meters of another car?
If a guy drives into another with reckless abandon that's one thing but consider actions like Alonso into Heidfeld for example. Over enthusiastic? Yeah...a bit but where the fuck are you supposed to pass at Monaco?? I'm just saying I would rather see aggressive driving than pit passes. When a driver like Raikkonen pushes it and loses the car, and yes takes out Sutil unfortunately I think the punishment of looking foolish and rookie not to mention the DNF and dropping out of the WDC is a punishment.
DC has been a bag of fail lately and though it hasn't all been his fault it still hurts his rep and probably his seat - if he still wanted it for 09.
I just don't get the lynch mob thing over an accident.

I don't think anyone is suggesting passing should be elimated from F1!!!

It is the FIA (god bless them:ugh:) who brought in all these rules about 5 grid place penalties for causing 'avoidable accidents'.

All we want to see is consistency in how rules are applied.

Think of it this way - imagine if Sutil had rammed the back of Kimi Raikkonen. Ferrari would be asking Sutil to be thrown out of the World Championship. AND they'd probably get their way.

Everyone knows the FIA is biased towards the top teams. But when the FIA makes a rule then fails to apply it, then it utterly stinks of favouritism.

[f1manoz]

I'd be surprised if Piquet makes it past mid-season. Talk about a joke...

[Robert]

I don't think anyone is suggesting passing should be elimated from F1!!!

It is the FIA (god bless them:ugh:) who brought in all these rules about 5 grid place penalties for causing 'avoidable accidents'.

All we want to see is consistency in how rules are applied.

Think of it this way - imagine if Sutil had rammed the back of Kimi Raikkonen. Ferrari would be asking Sutil to be thrown out of the World Championship. AND they'd probably get their way.

Everyone knows the FIA is biased towards the top teams. But when the FIA makes a rule then fails to apply it, then it utterly stinks of favouritism.

Yeah I agree. They are abusing their power as far as I'm concerned. Having a single group of stewards for all races would be a good start but even then it would have to be unbiased.

ibbribes

[MrHahn]

I don't think anyone is suggesting passing should be elimated from F1!!!

It is the FIA (god bless them:ugh:) who brought in all these rules about 5 grid place penalties for causing 'avoidable accidents'.

All we want to see is consistency in how rules are applied.

Think of it this way - imagine if Sutil had rammed the back of Kimi Raikkonen. Ferrari would be asking Sutil to be thrown out of the World Championship. AND they'd probably get their way.

Everyone knows the FIA is biased towards the top teams. But when the FIA makes a rule then fails to apply it, then it utterly stinks of favouritism.

I disagree. FIA should generally only enforce penalties on people who have 'avoidable accidents' like Coulthard on Schumacher at Spa or Senna on Prost at Japan. Nakajima at Australia was unfortunate but it shouldnt have been penalised - the same as Kimi at Monaco or Vettel at Japan. I think the rule should be changed to 'avoidable accidents with intent' and make the penalty harsher - because anyone whos aiming to have an accident shouldnt be driving. Yeah it was a driving error but they do exist - also if Sutil hadnt passed the 3 cars under yellow then Raikkonen may have run into Webbah

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

I disagree. FIA should generally only enforce penalties on people who have 'avoidable accidents' like Coulthard on Schumacher at Spa or Senna on Prost at Japan. Nakajima at Australia was unfortunate but it shouldnt have been penalised - the same as Kimi at Monaco or Vettel at Japan. I think the rule should be changed to 'avoidable accidents with intent' and make the penalty harsher - because anyone whos aiming to have an accident shouldnt be driving. Yeah it was a driving error but they do exist - also if Sutil hadnt passed the 3 cars under yellow then Raikkonen may have run into Webbah

i guess alonso t-boning heidfeld would be worthy of a penalty too...


lets recap his race weekend...

[MrHahn]

i guess alonso t-boning heidfeld would be worthy of a penalty too...


lets recap his race weekend...

Makes sense - if Kimi copped it, so should have Alonslow.

I gotta say I was a major doubter of Massa before this race - he definately outperformed my expectations

[doublemeat]

Yeah I agree. They are abusing their power as far as I'm concerned. Having a single group of stewards for all races would be a good start but even then it would have to be unbiased.

ibbribes

I've always liked the idea of having former drivers stewarding the races. Like a total of 12 or so drivers nominated for the season with three chosen for each race. Maybe a rule like at least one of those drivers must steward for three races consecutively or something like that.

Not always winners or champs, but they must be competent, level-headed guys respected by their peers. Think Hans Stuck, Martin Brundle, Patrick Tambay, Johnny Herbert, Derek Warwick, Jacky Ickx, John Watson, Jacques Laffite, or Olivier Panis. Hell, throw in good ol' David Hobbs' name in there too!

After all, it's these guys who really know what's going on out there...

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

Time running out for new Indy deal

By Andrew van de Burgt and Jonathan Noble Thursday, May 29th 2008, 10:17 GMT

Indianapolis Motor Speedway boss Tony George says time is running out in his efforts to get Formula One to return to his circuit for 2009.

George is keen to get a deal for a Grand Prix return next year to tie in with Indy's centennial celebrations, but claims he has less than two months to finalise his plans.

Speaking to this week's Autosport, George said he could not wait until August if he was to have enough time to prepare for the event.

"It's 50/50, that it's safe," said George. "The last conversation I had was probably in February. For planning purposes, we would need to know fairly soon if it's part of our '09 calendar.

"They (F1) don't necessarily need to know now. They can wait until August, September, October to announce their calendar, and that doesn't work for us."

George said he was still working on the race making financial sense, as he chases potential sponsors.

And although title sponsor money goes direct to Formula One Management, it is understood that Indianapolis could benefit from a 'finder fee' for any partner they bring to the table.

"It won't happen until we get some more commercial support - a title sponsor or whatnot," continued George. "There is still a gap to be bridged in the finances for it to make sense."

[kngrsll]

ugh... too many politics... i just want to go to the race!!

[More&Faster]

fuck tony george and fuck indy

i'm perfectly fine waiting for the FIA to find another venue in the states

[chiuey]

ugh... too many politics... i just want to go to the race!!

seriously, F1 has become such a big money making machine, that it has also gained too much crap with the money and politics of it all. When are they ever gonna realize fans just want to see drama relating to the WDC and racing itself. All this F1 news in the last 2 yrs has made teh sport look like a damn soap opera for men with money (WWE is soap opera for men with out money)

[Redliner]

seriously, F1 has become such a big money making machine, that it has also gained too much crap with the money and politics of it all. When are they ever gonna realize fans just want to see drama relating to the WDC and racing itself. All this F1 news in the last 2 yrs has made teh sport look like a damn soap opera for men with money (WWE is soap opera for men with out money)

Why isn't Infenion or Laguna Seca in the running. Can you imagine F1 cars on the corkscrew?!

[kngrsll]

Why isn't Infenion or Laguna Seca in the running. Can you imagine F1 cars on the corkscrew?!

Road American was orginally built for F1 up in Wisconsin! that would be awesome... i could visit home and go see F1!! beer, brats, cheese curds, YUM!!

[_R_]

Why isn't Infenion or Laguna Seca in the running. Can you imagine F1 cars on the corkscrew?!

Seca is too narrow of a track... i don't think there would be much passing honestly...

[_R_]

Leading figures in Formula One have been impressed with Felipe Massa's consistency this season, as the Brazilian has emerged as a threat for the championship.

"Yeah, he is (a threat), but both of them are," said Mercedes-Benz motorsport boss Norberg Haug of Massa and teammate Kimi Raikkonen.

Having outqualified Raikkonen 5-1 this year, and put behind him the nightmares of his first two races, Massa's growing confidence is delivering a run of form that could see him emerge as Lewis Hamilton's main threat for the title.

And on the back of his pole position at bogey track Monaco last weekend, several F1 figures are convinced that Massa is now a much stronger challenger than many expected early on.

Toro Rosso co-owner Gerhard Berger told Autosport: "Massa needs to prove himself this year, and he's doing it race by race. He's always been bloody quick, but he's had some troughs. It seems like he is getting the maximum most of the time now. Impressive."

McLaren F1 CEO Martin Whitmarsh told this week's Autosport: "Massa has always been quick but has not always had the consistency, and not always been error free, but he is doing a fantastic job at the moment and I am sure Kimi is scratching his head on that at the moment."

And four-time world champion Alain Prost is equally praiseworthy of Massa's form - but believes that Kimi Raikkonen's pace may be more about a focus on the title than a lack of ability to respond to his Brazilian teammate.

"Yeah, it's interesting," said Prost when asked about the dynamics between Massa and Raikkonen. "Maybe Kimi has not been very impressive in terms of his performance, and Massa, after he made mistakes at the start of the season, is now very impressive and very fast.

"But Kimi is more stable and seems to be thinking about the championship. I'm not surprised. Kimi is world champion, Massa wants to be world champion, so maybe Kimi does not want to risk going that extra tenth of a second this early in the championship.

"I think since last year he's been one of the contenders. He has speed, and he's now more consistent."

from zero to hero...

i will say though, he did impress me in Monaco... I wasn't expecting that...

[yonson]

ugh... too many politics... i just want to go to the race!!

Time for Bernie to retire...