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[Nacho]

Kimi. Kimi clearly has enough money to not scramble for sponsor money. And he's a good enough driver to be paid, and not have to bring money with him to get a seat. Why should he be forced into these sponsor days, if he can negotiate around it? You guys think its about just "suck it up and do it for the team", but its not for the team, its for the sponsors. Can you really hate on the guy for not wanting to waste his time hawking wares?

Toyota is like the Washington Redskins of F1, big name, and everyone knows you just go there to get paid. Of course he asked for more money.

The sponsors are why the team can go racing...

[yonson]

Who makes 50 mil a year from one sponsor? Nobody on the grid even makes that from a team.

Look at Brawn, Honda couldn't get DICK for sponsors so they painted their Earth cars. Same team, same drivers, and in Melbourne sponsors were popping up out of the wood work. The sport has enough sponsor duties to be performed, I think Kimi is just trying to fight it back down a bit. He's not saying he won't rep the sponsors, only that he doesn't want to be flying all over the globe year round on off weeks to do stupid sponsor events that he's not really suited to anyway. If he wants to beat back the bullshit good.

This is the way I see it as well.

[Redliner]

Sponsors are the only reason this whole thing exists...if he wants to completely check out from the commercial aspect the sport, he can go back to finalnd and race 300$ volvos.

Furthermore, if he'd just clinched his 3rd straight WDC and was trying to renegotiate/get a new deal elsewhere, he'd might actually be entitled to this sort of request.

But, we are all shitting on the man over a rumor, maybe we should wait and see.

I agree w/ this 110%. And yes, it's still a rumor so I'm going to hold out and see.

[Redliner]

How do you guys expect racing to happen without sponsors?

Yes sometimes I think sponsorship goes too far, but that doesn't mean it should also be cut off completely at the hands...the problem with F1 is there needs to be a balance of both, but for Kimi to demand money without doing any promo duties is pretty lame (if true that is).

[Nacho]

Who makes 50 mil a year from one sponsor? Nobody on the grid even makes that from a team.

Look at Brawn, Honda couldn't get DICK for sponsors so they painted their Earth cars. Same team, same drivers, and in Melbourne sponsors were popping up out of the wood work. The sport has enough sponsor duties to be performed, I think Kimi is just trying to fight it back down a bit. He's not saying he won't rep the sponsors, only that he doesn't want to be flying all over the globe year round on off weeks to do stupid sponsor events that he's not really suited to anyway. If he wants to beat back the bullshit good.

12 days a year isn't outrageous.

I'd work 120 days a year for sponsors on top of everything else to get paid as much as he is, let alone and get to race F1 cars.

[yonson]

How do you guys expect racing to happen without sponsors?

Yes sometimes I think sponsorship goes too far, but that doesn't mean it should also be cut off completely at the hands...the problem with F1 is there needs to be a balance of both, but for Kimi to demand money without doing any promo duties is pretty lame (if true that is).

I'm not meaning not to do ANY sponsor promo duties.

[Nacho]

This is the way I see it as well.

@ Kimi as the lone crusader, fighting against corporations in F1!


As opposed to the more likely: Kimi the guy who doesn't want to do anything but drive the car on race weekends, but also wants dicktons of money for it, and will only be sporadically fast.

[vietlol]

Fun loving won't win him anything - he needs the rigidity of McLaren to get the most out of him...plus I wanna see him take it to Ferrari w/ a vengence.

he'll get stomped by lewis whether the macca can challenge ferrari or not so

I think he should go to RedBull if its an option, Mclaren will be reputation destroying (what's left of it), Toyota will be even worse because everyone will know he is just after money and doesnt really care about the racing. So RBR or WRC I say.

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

he'll get stomped by lewis whether the macca can challenge ferrari or not so

I think he should go to RedBull if its an option, Mclaren will be reputation destroying (what's left of it), Toyota will be even worse because everyone will know he is just after money and doesnt really care about the racing. So RBR or WRC I say.

What's to say he he won't get schooled by Vettel at RBR?

[DrDickAction]

What's to say he he won't get schooled by Vettel at RBR?

I'd say there's a higher likelihood of him getting embarrassed by skittle. Dude is getting better & better.

[vietlol]

What's to say he he won't get schooled by Vettel at RBR?

Then everyone can just say vettel is OMGAWESOME if he gets schooled by Hambo thats confirmation that Ferrari was right in dumping him for Alonso.

I imagine RBR would be a lot more laid back as well even if he does get schooled.

[Redliner]

my list of fave drivers:

Skittle
Piquet Jnr
Alonso
Kimi
Massa
Lewis

Which one doesn't belong? Seriously though, I can't even rank my favorite drivers to be honest (excluding Piquet). They each bring something unique to the table that I like about each of them...although Vettel is probably my overall favorite driver right now.

And I think Kimi will probably get beat by Lewis too If you think about it, he's never had a formidable team-mate up until Massa

[chiuey]

my list of fave drivers:

Skittle
Piquet Jnr
Alonso
Kimi
Massa
Lewis

Which one doesn't belong? Seriously though, I can't even rank my favorite drivers to be honest (excluding Piquet). They each bring something unique to the table that I like about each of them...although Vettel is probably my overall favorite driver right now.

And I think Kimi will probably get beat by Lewis too If you think about it, he's never had a formidable team-mate up until Massa

Wasn't Massa Kimi's first teammate back in Sauber? Or did Massa come in to replace Kimi after he went to McBoom?

[Redliner]

Wasn't Massa Kimi's first teammate back in Sauber? Or did Massa come in to replace Kimi after he went to McBoom?

I think Kimi was team-mate's w/ Quick Nick at Sauber. Massa was team-mates w/ JV I believe...

[chiuey]

I think Kimi was team-mate's w/ Quick Nick at Sauber. Massa was team-mates w/ JV I believe...

OK I googled it, Massa cam in after Kimi and he partnered with Heidfeld, Fisi and JV

[yonson]

The Kimi disrespect is high in this thread...

[chiuey]

The Kimi disrespect is high in this thread...

I honestly couldn't care less where Kimi goes. I think he's a cool guy, does what ever he wants.

If he doesn't want to do promos for sponsors, that's his choice. He's won a WDC, he can demand what ever he wants.

People say Kimi won his WDC because of the in-fighting at McLaren, but in reality is that Alonso and Lewis who LOST that WDC to Kimi. As a driver, they have to control their environments and determine where they finish. They had the car, but not the command of the situation. So Kimi deserves his WDC. He took advantage of his rivals problem and capitalized on the situation to win. Winning a WDC is not just about the drive, it's having all the elements fall in line and keeping on top of all the issues that comes and goes during the course of a season.

[Nacho]

People say Kimi won his WDC because of the in-fighting at McLaren, but in reality is that Alonso and Lewis who LOST that WDC to Kimi. As a driver, they have to control their environments and determine where they finish. They had the car, but not the command of the situation. So Kimi deserves his WDC. He took advantage of his rivals problem and capitalized on the situation to win. Winning a WDC is not just about the drive, it's having all the elements fall in line and keeping on top of all the issues that comes and goes during the course of a season.

You left out the parts where his teammate moved over for him on multiple occasions.

I'd say that the whole 'teammate letting him by" had more to do with where he finished than anything under his direct control.

[chiuey]

You left out the parts where his teammate moved over for him on multiple occasions.

I'd say that the whole 'teammate letting him by" had more to do with where he finished than anything under his direct control.

well if alonso and lewis had worked out a gentlemen's agreement amongst themselves, one of them might have won the WDC instead of Kimi. You never had that problem when DC and Mika were racing side by side...

My point is that Kimi put himself in a position to be the #1 driver for his team when Massa made mistakes and eventually got knocked out of the running. He never fought Massa with such childish behavior at any point during the season.

Yeah Massa letting Kimi by helped, but had Kimi been acting like the little bitch that alonso and lewis were doing such a good job of, he would not have been in the position to have the full support of his team and teammate.

[Nacho]

well if alonso and lewis had worked out a gentlemen's agreement amongst themselves, one of them might have won the WDC instead of Kimi. You never had that problem when DC and Mika were racing side by side...

My point is that Kimi put himself in a position to be the #1 driver for his team when Massa made mistakes and eventually got knocked out of the running. He never fought Massa with such childish behavior at any point during the season.

Yeah Massa letting Kimi by helped, but had Kimi been acting like the little bitch that alonso and lewis were doing such a good job of, he would not have been in the position to have the full support of his team and teammate.

You act like Kimi personally asked Massa to help him, and Massa did it out of the goodness of his heart because they were such great buddies.

Ferrari have always been the originators of the team order. They will always contain their second driver to support the primary, or they'll find a new second driver (Massa in for Boobens). It's how they operate, for better or worse. Massa was always there to support the #1 (Kimi), just as he was only there to support Michael the year before. And the only reason that Massa got Kimi's support last season, and became Ferrari's #1 was that Kimi was simply being outclassed on track by Felipe beyond the point of recovery for the Finn.

Additionally, I love how you all cheer on Vettel and Boobens for fighting with everything they have till they're mathematically eliminated from contention, but when Hamilton and Alonso did the same they were being immature.

[chiuey]

You act like Kimi personally asked Massa to help him, and Massa did it out of the goodness of his heart because they were such great buddies.

Ferrari have always been the originators of the team order. They will always contain their second driver to support the primary, or they'll find a new second driver (Massa in for Boobens). It's how they operate, for better or worse. Massa was always there to support the #1 (Kimi), just as he was only there to support Michael the year before. And the only reason that Massa got Kimi's support last season, and became Ferrari's #1 was that Kimi was simply being outclassed on track by Felipe beyond the point of recovery for the Finn.

Additionally, I love how you all cheer on Vettel and Boobens for fighting with everything they have till they're mathematically eliminated from contention, but when Hamilton and Alonso did the same they were being immature.

wo wo wo, nobody said anything about Kimi asking Massa for help. We all know that Ferrari are the epitome of team orders. Who ever is out of the running should support the other, that's just how team work should be done in F1. Now if a team chooses to go as far as clearly hiring drivers to be #1 and #2, that's their choice. It's how they think they can optimize their chances of winning the WDC.

The thing is, lewis and alonso were really immature about the way they handled their fight that season. You fight on track on Sunday, so be it, that's racing. But to pull the stunts they did to beat each other up during qualifying and also alonso's stunt in the pits of Q3, that's just stupid. If they really wanted to win, they should have done it with performance, not trying to sabotage each other with childish antics and running the other off the track.

alonso won his first 2 WDCs coz he drove the shit out of that Renault. He beat all this challengers hard but fair. Last yr lewis drove the most consistently through out the season, and that's why he was crowned, it would have been easier for people to accept him as a WDC if he had won the most races in a season, but at the end of the day you have to be consistent and win races to be WDC and that's what he did regardless of the things that happen.

Stewards will make their calls, but it's up to the drivers and the team to come through with enough strong finishes at the end of the day. It's a good thing that the Singapore results cannot be changed, coz massa and ferrari quite simple screwed up that pit stop.

[Nacho]

Stewards will make their calls, but it's up to the drivers and the team to come through with enough strong finishes at the end of the day. It's a good thing that the Singapore results cannot be changed, coz massa and ferrari quite simple screwed up that pit stop.

This is why I don't get Felipe's bitching about losing the WDC due to Singapore/Renault/Piquet. Lewis was 3rd that race, while Phil was 13th. And it was due to that pit stop/fuel hose issue much more than anything that Renault did.

[chiuey]

This is why I don't get Felipe's bitching about losing the WDC due to Singapore/Renault/Piquet. Lewis was 3rd that race, while Phil was 13th. And it was due to that pit stop/fuel hose issue much more than anything that Renault did.

that I agree with. He just need to shut up and move on. What's the point of bitching about it when it's not going to change anything. You win some, you loose some. If he wants to be a WDC, he needs to be at the top of his game every race weekend or at least more consistently than any of his rivals.

I'm not a huge fan of Jenson's performance in the second half of the season, coz his early dominance faultered significantly. But you CANNOT take away from his drive. He achieved the most over the season, yes the car helped, but through the first 7 races, he was untouchable. He did more than anybody when it mattered.

Yes it's true that any of those 22 guys on the grid can win in a good car, but they can just as easily fuck up on any given corner if they are not paying attention. If it was all car and not the driver, then Rubens and Jenson would still be heading in to (the middle of nowhere) Abu Dhabi for the decider.

[vietlol]

The Kimi disrespect is high in this thread...

maybe he should learn something

[mads]

I cant fucking believe jenson fucking button won the championship