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[Redliner]

You know, I'd like to see steering angle with this.

Just because the wheels start spinning doesn't mean you let off - there's a thing called weight transfer too. If you lift abruptly while the rear end is spinning, you can transfer that weight forward and cause the rear end to get extremely loose which will swing it around. Now that I think about it, steering plays a hand in this matter as well...(as it should). If it shows no countersteer, while applying throttle, than maybe Piquets claims are more valid.

[vietlol]

Apparently Renault wants Prost to take over Flava's role couldn't they find somebody better

[Robert]

Alonso ordered to attend WMSC hearing

20/09/2009
In a surprise move, Fernando Alonso has been ordered to attend tomorrow's extraordinary meeting of the World Motor Sport Council in Paris.

Alonso sent to the principal's office

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more details

Fernando Alonso has been summoned to appear before the FIA World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) on Monday (21 September), as his employers Renault go into the dock charged with intentionally manipulating the result of the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix – and the knives come out for the Régie's former managing director Flavio Briatore.

According to British media, the news – imparted to the Spaniard on Friday – came as a 'huge surprise' to him. Alonso has always denied having had any knowledge of or involvement in the conspiracy, in which his then team-mate Nelsinho Piquet claims he was instructed by Briatore and the Enstone-based outfit's executive director of engineering Pat Symonds to deliberately crash out of the top flight's inaugural night race this time last year, in order to enable the sister R28 to triumph from a lowly starting position following an engine failure in qualifying.

Piquet's father – the man who tipped the governing body off about the incident in the first place – has suggested that Alonso must have been in on the 'fix', or else he would have questioned a highly unusual early-stopping strategy from only 15th on the grid. The Oviedo native was the principal beneficiary of Piquet Jnr's hefty impact with the Marina Bay street circuit's unforgiving wall in vaulting from well outside the top ten into the lead of the race as his rivals all swiftly dived for the pit-lane under the ensuing safety car period, two laps after Alonso had himself re-fuelled.

Moreover, it is being mooted that the 21-time grand prix-winner will likely be interrogated by the WMSC about his relationship with his manager Briatore, with a view to examining the potential conflict of interest in team principals simultaneously looking after active F1 drivers. Aside from Alonso, Briatore also takes care of the careers of Red Bull Racing star Mark Webber, McLaren-Mercedes ace Heikki Kovalainen and Renault new boy Roman Grosjean, who replaced Piquet from the European Grand Prix in Valencia.

The Italian's ruthless methods are tipped to come under the microscope – with possible punishments, should he be found guilty as charged, extending as far as a lifetime ban from the sport in all its aspects, which would cost him millions in terms of income. The 59-year-old – who is expected to attend the WMSC reunion – continues to protest his innocence, and when he stepped down last week he argued it was 'to save the team'.

Symonds, for his part, is presently holidaying in Spain and is not understood to be attending Monday's crunch meeting. The Englishman has admitted that discussions did take place with Piquet prior to the race to the effect of deliberately causing an accident, but added that it had been the Brazilian's initiative and that it had not been taken seriously at the time. Renault has revealed that it will not contest the allegations.

According to the Sunday Mirror, further evidence has since come to light in the form of documents presented by Piquet Snr contending that Briatore had convinced his son to re-sign for 2009 on the premise that Alonso was Ferrari-bound in 2010 and that he would therefore then become the team's number one driver. However, the head of the Spanish motorsport federation, Carlos Gracia, has branded as 'shameless' the decision to grant Nelsinho immunity from prosecution provided he tells the truth.

“[Renault] is a company that has been in motorsport for many years, without any kind of immorality,” he underlined. “If the immorality was caused because of those two gentlemen (Briatore and Symonds), it's a good thing that they are out of Formula 1.”

[Redliner]

WTF. Fuck you Piquet. Goddamnit...

[kngrsll]

well, at least piquet will never go anywhere else. every other motorsport is a step down from F1 and he wont be there anymore.

[vietlol]

I think Fred is there cause they want to incriminate Flav.

[chiuey]

well, at least piquet will never go anywhere else. every other motorsport is a step down from F1 and he wont be there anymore.

PK should not be allowed to participate, organize, sponsor, race or have anything to do with motor racing anywhere ever again.

[HighTachPres]

great throw Alonso under the bus while you're at it, prick

[MrHahn]

I hope Fred is there cause they want to incriminate Flav.

fixed

[vietlol]

Flava Flav banned for life, Simmy Syms for 5 years. PK JR still a faggot. Fred innocent. Renault handed two year suspended ban and will donate a 'significant' amount of money to FIA safety projects.

http://www.fia.com/e...msc_210909.aspx

[kngrsll]

interesting to see what other implications this has.

-will renault pull out? that could cause some major engine supply problems (not only F1, but GP2)

-what about Flavio's role in other series? Doesnt he OWN GP2? it was his idea, and his concept iirc.

[MrHahn]

Flava Flav banned for life, Simmy Syms for 5 years. PK JR still a faggot. Fred innocent. Renault handed two year suspended ban and will donate a 'significant' amount of money to FIA safety projects.

http://www.fia.com/e...msc_210909.aspx

Hold the fuck on....

Furthermore, it does not intend to renew any Superlicence granted to any driver who is associated (through a management contract or otherwise) with Mr. Briatore, or any entity or individual associated with Mr. Briatore.

Am I reading this right?? Does this mean they wont renew Webber's superlicence because hes 'associated' with flava flav?

[vietlol]

It means when it comes time to renew superlicences they won't be given to people who are still managed by Flav, so they have to find new managers.

[MrHahn]

I guess flava flav got mad owned

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so Renault is out till the 2012 season... so are they out the last 4 races of this season or just excluded from 2010/2011?
looks like Alonso is contract free for a couple years

[kngrsll]

so Renault is out till the 2012 season... so are they out the last 4 races of this season or just excluded from 2010/2011?
looks like Alonso is contract free for a couple years

it is a suspended ban. meaning, if they are naughty again, they will be banned.

[Redliner]

Why the inconsistent ban? Politically based ban?

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

it is a suspended ban. meaning, if they are naughty again, they will be banned.

Same as the McLaren 'suspended ban' for the Stephney/Coughlan thing (I refuse to use the *-gate terminology).

[kngrsll]

Why the inconsistent ban? Politically based ban?

renault admitted guilt and helped with the investigation rather than mclaren, who lied in the first wmsc

[Redliner]

Same as the McLaren 'suspended ban' for the Stephney/Coughlan thing (I refuse to use the *-gate terminology).

Stephanygate. Say it biatch!

I meant Briatorie's / Symond's case (lifetime vs 5 yrs ban) but I guess it was b/c Pat admitted some guilt to he charges where Flavio still denies it...but it seems like FIA had it out for Briatorie anyways and wanted him gone. Times are changing - no more Dennis, no more Flavio.

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

Stephanygate. Say it biatch!

I meant Briatorie's / Symond's case (lifetime vs 5 yrs ban) but I guess it was b/c Pat admitted some guilt to he charges where Flavio still denies it...but it seems like FIA had it out for Briatorie anyways and wanted him gone. Times are changing - no more Dennis, no more Flavio.

Watergate scandal happened at the Watergate hotel. That'd be like calling the McLaren scandal 'Paragon'.

FIA had it out for Flav all along. Now FOTA will need a reshuffle too.

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it is a suspended ban. meaning, if they are naughty again, they will be banned.

ah.

[Redliner]

Watergate scandal happened at the Watergate hotel. That'd be like calling the McLaren scandal 'Paragon'.

FIA had it out for Flav all along. Now FOTA will need a reshuffle too.

we already had this discussion - you know I'm kidding.

...I didn't even think about the FOTA

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...I didn't even think about the FOTA

oooo... good call...
regarding Alonso and Renault, did he have a contract with them already for the next season or two? is there a clause in Alonso's contract that stipulates if Renault screw up somehow he's free to go?