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[yonson]

Petrov gets fastest lap

[Shi]

Petrov gets fastest lap

Wasn't it Webber with a 1:29.1xx?

[yonson]

Petrov 1:29.165

[SeaMack99]

from a noob standpoint the red bull incident really didn't look like one fault or the other. but i'm sure someone here would tell me otherwise

[Shi]

from a noob standpoint the red bull incident really didn't look like one fault or the other. but i'm sure someone here would tell me otherwise

I'd blame Vettel a bit more as he was going for the pass, and he was the one moving over, but Webber could have perhaps given a little more space seeing that it was his team mate

but then if Vettel wasn't his team mate then there's no reason at all for Webber to move over.

so for me 75% Vettel's fault

[vietlol]

Whats going on over at Ferrari? they are slow

I think they will be strong again Canada though, good grip in the slow turns and a pretty good engine/f-duct

Leggard mentioned during the race today that they have an RBR style exhaust system planned for valencia and a new diffuser

[Shi]

From the interview Alonso gave it seems like Ferrari threw all they had at the car before the first race, next big update is like you said Canada and Valencia, and there was not much in between

[vietlol]

RBR blaming Webbo for crash because the pass was arranged


good times at red bull

skittle losing all his shine and cool he had as an exciting upstart

[SeaMack99]

I'd blame Vettel a bit more as he was going for the pass, and he was the one moving over, but Webber could have perhaps given a little more space seeing that it was his team mate

but then if Vettel wasn't his team mate then there's no reason at all for Webber to move over.

so for me 75% Vettel's fault

I'm watching the "F1 Fourm" thing on Sky and they're going over the replay in slowmo and it seems like 50/50:o

[Shi]

RBR blaming Webbo for crash because the pass was arranged


good times at red bull

skittle losing all his shine and cool he had as an exciting upstart

wait where's this?

pass was arranged?

[Shi]

I'm watching the "F1 Fourm" thing on Sky and they're going over the replay in slowmo and it seems like 50/50:o

I'll have to take another look later

Overall I'm amazed by the qualifying pace of this year's cars. I don't think there has ever been a qualifying lap as fast at Istanbul, with Webber's 1:26.295

edit: wait I guess I'm wrong, Felipe Massa did a 1:25.994 in 2008

edit2: I'm actually amazed the Ferrari drivers have as many points as they do - Alonso is actually 1 point ahead of Vettel. When he mentioned Ferrari having 1 point more than Red Bull I was wondering what the hell he was talking about

[vietlol]

wait where's this?

pass was arranged?

RTL interview with Helmut Marko and Christian Horner

they dont explicitly say it was arranged but imply it

[Shi]

Looks like Vettel moved over too soon

Webber could have made more room though - Vettel was almost past him

[SeaMack99]

Looks like Vettel moved over too soon

Webber could have made more room though - Vettel was almost past him

that was the argument the BBC was saying. and there there was talk of engineers telling Vettel to turn it up

[dgr81]

definitely webbers fault.

vettel was faster and webber should have let him through.

[vietlol]

vettel was faster and webber should have let him through.

thats not how racing works



also in the outboard shot it looks like vettel loses control a bit and thats the moving right, not intentional but his fault nonetheless, I think he admitted as much though he still thinks its webbos fault overall

[yonson]

Vettel knows Webber doesn't yield and should have acted accordingly. I watched the replay about 20 times and if Vettel had kept going straight and not started coming over he would have made the pass, but he didn't... Just a shitty result

[dgr81]

thats not how racing works

it does when you're the faster car and it's your teammate you're passing

[Shi]

definitely webbers fault.

vettel was faster and webber should have let him through.

Many times faster cars get stuck behind slower cars

Vettel wasn't quite past Webber so he shouldn't have turned into Webber

[Shi]

it does when you're the faster car and it's your teammate you're passing

Not when you're level on points and battling for the lead of the championship

[dgr81]

Turkey Sunday quotes: Red Bull

Sunday, May 30th 2010, 16:18 GMT

Mark Webber - 3rd: "Sebastian had a bit of a top speed advantage, he went down the inside and we were side by side. I was surprised when he came right suddenly, as I was holding my racing line. It happened very, very fast and it's a shame for the team. Not an ideal day. The McLarens were solid and it was a good race between all four of us up at the front until then, neither of us wanted to make contact with each other. It's obviously not ideal, but it happened. There was a long way to still go in the race, but that was an interesting few metres on the track between both of us. In the end it wasn't the result that either of us wanted. We've got great character in our team and two fast drivers at the front - we're not dicing for 15th and 16th – we're going for victories so there's clearly a lot at stake. I'll have a chat with Sebastian about it, we might have a difference of opinion but we'll be adults about it and press on."

Sebastian Vettel - DNF: "If you watch it on the TV, you can see what happened. I'm not in the happiest of moods. I was on the inside going into the corner. I was there, I was ahead and focusing on the braking point and then we touched. Mark's car hit my rear right wheel and I went off – there's not much more to say. We were all on the same pace during the race, I think I was a bit quicker than Mark for two or three laps, I was catching him and thought I could get him on the back straight. I was very close and passed him on the left, that's the story. This is something that happens, no one needs it, but there's not much you can do now."

Christian Horner, Team Principal: "It's disappointing for the team to have got into that position today. The one thing I always ask the drivers is that, yes, they can race each other, but give each other room, and that's exactly what didn't happen. They were too far over on the left, Sebastian got a run on the inside of Mark, but then came across too early. They didn't give each other room; it's as simple as that. It was a massively close race between us and the McLarens up until that point. We managed to get ourselves ahead with a better pit-stop and a better strategy for Sebastian and were first and second. Sebastian was a bit happier on the prime tyre than Mark and was looking quicker at that point in the race. He got a run on Mark up the inside and we saw what happened. It's massively disappointing and the situation shouldn't have occurred. To give McLaren 28 points on a plate is very frustrating for everyone in the team – especially after so much hard work. We've lost a lot of points today with what's happened. We need to learn from it, so we don't find ourselves in this position again."

Fabrice Lom, Renault, Principal Engineer Track Support: "Today's result is a big shame. We had a very good result in our hands, but unfortunately we didn't cement it. But, if we want to keep the positive, we have to underline that both cars were trouble free mechanically today – the engines performed very well and we gave a very good defence on the long straight against the McLarens. We are still in a good position in both Championships, so let's put this behind us and recover for the next race in Canada."

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/84047

[Shi]

Seems like Webber was in fuel saving mode while Vettel had one more lap at full power

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/84050

[SeaMack99]

I'm willing to chuck this one as a "racing incident". Both drivers could've done more to prevent it. Webber could have easily given Vettel room as he was obviously faster and Vettel didn't have to swerve for whatever reason. This is my first season actually following F1 and don't know all the histories between the drivers but it seems like there is tension between RBR.

Although it does add insult to injury that McLaren was able to have at it without taking each other out.

[TimzSI]

Lewis.

Alonso. Deserves a grid penalty in Canada. And to be replaced by Kubica so he can run back to Renault.

Vettel moved over too soon during his pass. Webber made the one legal move. Seb needed to move back over at the point of contact to have any chance of making to corner. But, umm, Webbo's car was there.

[Shi]

Lewis.

Alonso. Deserves a grid penalty in Canada. And to be replaced by Kubica so he can run back to Renault.

Vettel moved over too soon during his pass. Webber made the one legal move. Seb needed to move back over at the point of contact to have any chance of making to corner. But, umm, Webbo's car was there.

Vettel could have just braked and backed out