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[Redliner]

how was the fight for first? oh that's right, none

I watched the race last night, and the way Lewis was pulling in Vettel - I believe we would've had a pretty good fight at the end had Lewis not cheated...

[Dr. Jimmmah!]

I watched the race last night, and the way Lewis was pulling in Vettel - I believe we would've had a pretty good fight at the end had Lewis not cheated...

Vettel was on cruise control at that point. As soon as the gap got remotely close Vettel was immediately able to respond and match/go faster than Hamilton.

[_R_]

I watched the race last night, and the way Lewis was pulling in Vettel - I believe we would've had a pretty good fight at the end had Lewis not cheated...

lewis was on vettels rear twice... once in the beginning and once after the safety car... vettel pulled away both times... vettel was crusing this race...

[Nacho]

tires...
put it this way... with the lack of fueling and pitstops we have to wait for the tires to go out before anything happens... alonso @ monaco did like 70 laps on the hards, koby @ valencia did 54 laps on the hards... they last way to long...

since valencia was the last race...
how was the fight for first? oh that's right, none
fight for second? yeap, none
third? again, nothing, why would jenson challenge koby if he knew he'd have to go in to change tires
battle for fourth? fifth? sixth? nothing...

where did we see the battle and over taking? 7th, between alonso, koby and buemi... why was it a battle? because koby had a fresh set of soft tires for the last four laps while buemi and alonso where putting along on hard tires for at least 30+ laps... alonso couldn't pass buemi, but koby comes out of no where and passes both...

We all knew that Valencia was going to be relatively boring, due to the track layout. No amount of rule changes is going to make that track wider, or easier to pass on.

There's battles places besides the front. Turkey was a great race, and that didn't involve terribly much fighting for first. Same with Canada. Why does everyone always act like any passing that's not for a podium doesn't count?

[Nacho]

I say leave the rules as is.

*IF* I were to make rule changes, I'd like to see more development to powerplants & chassis and less emphasis on aero. It's hard to relate to the cars when all they talk about are F-ducts, double diffusers, blown diffusers. In MotoGP, they talk about brakes, shocks and different types of powerplants. At least I can relate to that; I can't put a blown diffuser on my S2000...

So how would we achieve this?

Spec aero & diffusers that are equal to current downforce levels. Body shape is open. Unlimited powerplant configuration under a 1.5 turbo/3.0L NA rule. No refuelling with a certain amount of gas given to the teams during the weekend and they must survive 2 races as currently and must meet a minimum 750hp limit. This would take the development emphasis from aero back to engine and allow us to see some cool shit IMO.

Spec aero would basically be spec chassis. That's GP2/IRL/F2/F3/etc. shit. We already have that.

Honestly, if you want to 'relate' to a racing series, choose one that's not open wheel. ALMS, Speed Cup, etc. are all much more relative to your street car than ANY open wheel series ever will be.

[DrDickAction]

We have to keep in mind that a lot of the current rule changes were to minimize development cost, that intention has became somewhat unnecessary with the economy.

I think you could reopen engine development and not have ferrari's budget instantly triple.

[Nacho]

We have to keep in mind that a lot of the current rule changes were to minimize development cost, that intention has became somewhat unnecessary with the economy.

I think you could reopen engine development and not have ferrari's budget instantly triple.

I've never agreed with the engine freeze.

[Redliner]

Spec aero would basically be spec chassis. That's GP2/IRL/F2/F3/etc. shit. We already have that.

Honestly, if you want to 'relate' to a racing series, choose one that's not open wheel. ALMS, Speed Cup, etc. are all much more relative to your street car than ANY open wheel series ever will be.

Fair enough. But GP2/IRL/F2/F3 run spec engines as well, and F1 is pretty damn close with their frozen 2.4L V8s. I'd rather have F1 key technology differienator be diverse engine technology rather than evolving aerodynamics. If FIA wants to make F1's 'green' push relevant, give them a path to doing so. F1 engineering has a multiplier effect on technologies - let them develop what would be relevant for today's road cars. They can develop faster than any other series.

[DrDickAction]

Fair enough. But GP2/IRL/F2/F3 run spec engines as well, and F1 is pretty damn close with their frozen 2.4L V8s. I'd rather have F1 key technology differienator be diverse engine technology rather than evolving aerodynamics. If FIA wants to make F1's 'green' push relevant, give them a path to doing so. F1 engineering has a multiplier effect on technologies - let them develop what would be relevant for today's road cars. They can develop faster than any other series.

I was under the impression that the FIA was going to unfreeze engine dev in 2013 with fuel economy encouraging specs...not sure if the KERS return will derail that though

[Nacho]

Fair enough. But GP2/IRL/F2/F3 run spec engines as well, and F1 is pretty damn close with their frozen 2.4L V8s. I'd rather have F1 key technology differienator be diverse engine technology rather than evolving aerodynamics. If FIA wants to make F1's 'green' push relevant, give them a path to doing so. F1 engineering has a multiplier effect on technologies - let them develop what would be relevant for today's road cars. They can develop faster than any other series.

Let's be honest: nothing powering those cars is going to have a direct effect on road car powerplants. Where's the 18,000 RPM 2.4L V8s? Or even 3L V10s? Not pushing a modern car that's going to weigh 3500+ lbs. It's just not realistic, as that's a different motor for a different task.

Meanwhile you already see influences from the Corvette race team's plans on the modern Z06 because of the regulations on how closely the road car must match the race car. That's where you're going to see real racing tech hit the street, not from F1 development. The cars are just too far removed, despite what a few marketing departments would like you to think.

[Redliner]

Let's be honest: nothing powering those cars is going to have a direct effect on road car powerplants. Where's the 18,000 RPM 2.4L V8s? Or even 3L V10s? Not pushing a modern car that's going to weigh 3500+ lbs. It's just not realistic, as that's a different motor for a different task.

Meanwhile you already see influences from the Corvette race team's plans on the modern Z06 because of the regulations on how closely the road car must match the race car. That's where you're going to see real racing tech hit the street, not from F1 development. The cars are just too far removed, despite what a few marketing departments would like you to think.

Absolutely not, but the rules aren't shaped to allow development around technology that could be translated from F1 to road cars, are they? Plenty has trickled down from F1 in the past, and I don't see why it couldn't happen again.

[vietlol]

webbo gets schooled and damn thats close to the wall

[Nacho]

Button

[MrHahn]

Did anyone ever ask Webber why he went backwards? Looked like he got squeezed a lot - but that's hardly an excuse

[Nacho]

Did anyone ever ask Webber why he went backwards? Looked like he got squeezed a lot - but that's hardly an excuse

I'm not sure it came up as most people were talking about the massive wreck.